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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:25 am 
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I never heard of this chick, She appears to be a lesbian performer and director who is on ADT. Tonight this is what she posted and a moderator has asked if this post could be referenced on all future IR threads on ADT.


A few different things are going on with respect to race - and racism - in porn.
First of all, the adult industry is inherently and repulsively racist. I always call it the last bastian of blatant, old school racism in western culture. It's disgusting, period.

And because of the way interracial relationships are often depicted in porn, some girls give their agents a "no interracial" blanket policy. This is so they're not booked for scenes where both races are depicted as vulgar stereotypes to be made fun of, and where the sex is orchestrated in the most demeaning way possible.

There are several girls with a "no interracial" policy who have made it clear to me that they'll shoot interracial scenes for my studio anytime. Zoe Voss is one of those girls. She just wants to make sure agents aren't booking her for scenes she doesn't feel good about being in. And yes, she has already done an interracial scene for me, with Mickey Mod.

That issue aside, there are many white performers who won't work with black men or women in ANY type of production. Part of this stems from the "conventional wisdom" perpetrated by white men in porn that "If you do interracial you'll never get signed to a contract" or "you'll lose fans" or "you'll stop getting work with the best companies." None of that is true, but many girls still buy into it, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

But of course some performers refuse to perform interracial strictly for personal reasons. "I'm just not attracted," they explain (suggesting that they're "always" attracted to their white costars -- highly unlikely!!!)

As with all racism, I think it's just a product of ignorance and fear. And I've seen it on both sides of the camera. For instance, many white girl/girl fans openly expressed a preference for white, girl next door types to be cast. As a result, for years you really didn't see any black women cast in g/g scenes. But early in my g/g career I started casting Nyomi Banxxx, Ms. Platinum and Sincere Lemmore in multiple scenes, and once the fans "got to know" these women, they were requesting them like crazy.

And it's the same thing with many white performers who "get to know" a black performer and suddenly say "I don't do interracial but I want to do a scene with (Mr. Marcus)" or whomever.

When you get to know someone you stop seeing their color as a defining characteristic. And that's what we should be working on in porn, on both sides of the camera.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:30 am 
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Ordinarily, I don't buy the "I don't like the way IR is depicted so I won't do it" card, but this chick claims Zoe Voss, who supposedly quit IR, did one for her because I suppose it was filmed the way she likes. I never heard of this Micky Mod that Zoe Voss worked with. One good thing about the post is that there are many on ADT who always say that not doing IR "has nothing to do with racism". She dispells that.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:06 am 
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And it's the same thing with many white performers who "get to know" a black performer and suddenly say "I don't do interracial but I want to do a scene with (Mr. Marcus)" or whomever.
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^^^^^lol....yey this perfect example of the "selective girls" they need a personal relationship and get to know blacks off camera but will literrally bang an asian, latino, white...str8 off the street.

she said it perfectly.....for anyone who doesnt believe mr.marcus kisses up to dodgers for scenes.
"basically get to know black guys off camera" aka "hes kissing my azz off screen for scenes." the "im the nice black guy routine" but the same chicks banging random amateurs for fuck team 5. and i see black dudes calling him "lucky" because hes black. Y r u even talking to women who have u have on their NO list? azz kissin for her first I.R. 3 years down the road/or be 1 of the very selective blacks on her list. dont get it twisted though....the money must be right first.

not worth it if u ask me. as for "degrading" i will never understand that these women think words said in a scene are degrading but the actual scenes arent. lol...i wanna see how many of them proudly say they did/do porn to people who don't know them. they wont cuz its "Degrading"

u know how many times they break doing a scene? SEVERAL. ALL zoe or anyone who r so offended have to do is tell the director to stop doing it, open your mouth..simple as that. The scene she was offended in was with jason brown and hooks, soft azz dudes. who they gonna offend? just more excuses they use.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:34 am 
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^^^^^^

And of course they have different standards for black and non-black which makes it an expression of hypocrisy. With a black man its gotta be Romeo and Juliet, but with a non-black man it can be some back alley shit.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:14 pm 
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The double standard strikes again! It's good to hear a white chick tell the unfiltered truth about this industry. These ultra liberals are some of the most bigoted people in this country. Any scene they do with any other ethnic group no matter how degrading is fine but any scene with a brother is too much for these whores delicate sensibilities. When you're a porn whore you are not above anybody in this culture. In fact you're below everyone in the culture.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:26 pm 
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Gold Dragon wrote:
That issue aside, there are many white performers who won't work with black men or women in ANY type of production. Part of this stems from the "conventional wisdom" perpetrated by white men in porn that "If you do interracial you'll never get signed to a contract" or "you'll lose fans" or "you'll stop getting work with the best companies." None of that is true, but many girls still buy into it, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


Might have something to do with the fact that apparently quite a number of girls in porn aren't too bright, or they wouldn't buy it. Probably the same type of girl that backs down when she gets death threats for doing interracial (I mean, seriously - can anyone point out a porn starlet that got murdered because of it?)


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:59 pm 
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I never heard Ellis, she just wants cheap publicit. Fact is that IR-porn is now mainstream in hetero porn.

But theres really rare to see lesbian IR-videos. Blacks on Blondes have Zebra girls, but thats it.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:12 pm 
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awall wrote:
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And it's the same thing with many white performers who "get to know" a black performer and suddenly say "I don't do interracial but I want to do a scene with (Mr. Marcus)" or whomever.
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^^^^^lol....yey this perfect example of the "selective girls" they need a personal relationship and get to know blacks off camera but will literrally bang an asian, latino, white...str8 off the street.

she said it perfectly.....for anyone who doesnt believe mr.marcus kisses up to dodgers for scenes.
"basically get to know black guys off camera" aka "hes kissing my azz off screen for scenes." the "im the nice black guy routine" but the same chicks banging random amateurs for fuck team 5. and i see black dudes calling him "lucky" because hes black. Y r u even talking to women who have u have on their NO list? azz kissin for her first I.R. 3 years down the road/or be 1 of the very selective blacks on her list. dont get it twisted though....the money must be right first.

not worth it if u ask me. as for "degrading" i will never understand that these women think words said in a scene are degrading but the actual scenes arent. lol...i wanna see how many of them proudly say they did/do porn to people who don't know them. they wont cuz its "Degrading"

u know how many times they break doing a scene? SEVERAL. ALL zoe or anyone who r so offended have to do is tell the director to stop doing it, open your mouth..simple as that. The scene she was offended in was with jason brown and hooks, soft azz dudes. who they gonna offend? just more excuses they use.


It's amazing how you twist the statement to fit your needs.
You want to attack Marcus as being one of the "soft azz dudes", so you turn his interacting with these young naive white girls who've been told not work with black guys by fellow porn stars and their agents, those crazy white power fans who go on ADT and the institution of racism that is endemic in porn into begging by being the "nice guy."

Let's break this down:
Girl comes into porn.
She's told by a hundred people (boyfriends, agents, fans, directors, fellow stars) not to do IR.
Marcus, Sean whomever comes along and says "it's not bad for your career, we'll shoot a scene that you can have a lot of input in if you work with me because I'm known for breaking a lot of girls in for their first IR and they really like it, and being in the business for twenty years I have some pull. Ask girls like Nina Hartley and Belladonna and Tori Black and Sasha Gray how good it can be for your career and how it can increase your fan base, actually."
Girl decides to eventually shoot said IR scene.
IR scene is shot.

Why is this a bad thing?
We've seen here and a hundred other places how girls are told not to do IR, and when we get a couple of black guys who know how to play the business and get these girls to do their first scene when they otherwise might have kept listening to these other people and never do IR or do it so late in their career that it's a carwreck scene like the ones with Chasey Lain, Tabitha Stevens or Shayla LaVeaux, we still manage to vilify these black male stars who are trying to buck the system and get young pretty girls to do IR early in their career.
I will never understand half the cats on these boards, I swear to God...


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:21 pm 
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Cobra,

This chick is not getting cheap pub for these comments. She probably will get a backlash from some of the agents that represent the bigoted double standard. As for IR porn being mainstream, why are some of the biggest companies so against it (Brazzers, Digital Playground, Adam & Eve) none of these companies make IR titles or IR scenes of any note. Reading your post you sound like most of the crowd over at ADT.


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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:39 pm 
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Imperiusrex,

Co-sign! You make a brilliant point about some of our members who complain about everything guys like Sean and Marcus do to try and get as many chicks as possible to do IR. These guys have invested their careers in this business and deserve a measure of respect from IR fans. It must be very hard for them to take the industry crap on a daily basis.


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