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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:47 pm 
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Because the majority of the customers are white males??!!?


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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:42 am 
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sigh...
You do understand that the world isn't fair, right?
I honestly think you just don't get it.
Most of the porn studios, producers, investors, etc. are run by or owned by white men. Of course they're going to do things that favor them.
If you were running porn would you do everything "fairly?"
Likely not. If you had favorite girls, you would monopolize them, right?
Then why even bother to ask why the people in power would do exactly the same.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that porn makes more money through IR. It doesn't.
Every IR scene that comes out now is on the net in a day. There's no incentive to spend money on IR porn.
None.
There's no power for black men in porn, no leverage. Don't let your personal belief that IR is some huge market that a studio can't live without- plenty of porn producers don't make IR and still make their money. There are any number of porn producers who have never and will never need to make IR.
This isn't the NBA or NFL where you absolutely need black men. The market for many years produced 75-80% of porn without black men. IR only became a huge segment in the mid 90s. Don't delude yourself into thinking porn can't survive without producing IR.
It's just another revenue stream...


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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:01 am 
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imperiusrex wrote:
Don't fool yourself into thinking that porn makes more money through IR. It doesn't.
Every IR scene that comes out now is on the net in a day. There's no incentive to spend money on IR porn.
None.There's no power for black men in porn, no leverage. Don't let your personal belief that IR is some huge market that a studio can't live without- plenty of porn producers don't make IR and still make their money. There are any number of porn producers who have never and will never need to make IR. Don't delude yourself into thinking porn can't survive without producing IR.
It's just another revenue stream...


I agree with most of what you say, and piracy is affecting all genres. The industry isn't carried by IR because the majority of consumers are whites who naturally just want to watch all white porn usually. But IR is one of the most major niche genres that does have relevance in the industry. But it will never be the top revenue producer.

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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:40 am 
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IR fans don't ever go to those website. Dogfat is the only website that does IR and there isn't a website for black woman

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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:23 am 
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JMack wrote:
Well these agent told these whites girls not fucking a black man isn't ok but it ok for a black woman to do IR with a white man is. I don't understad why black men are killing porn, can you tell that to Sean Michaels, Mr Marcus, or Lexington Steele who are bigger name in porn and alot of white girls who do IR worked with them. IR is selling like mad right now but these agents can tell a black woman it ok for then to fuck by a white guy, but they get paid less for fucking black girls.


I am going to dissect this post directly because you really don't seem to get the concept.
1) Yes, it is legal for white men to ask the white girls they represent not to do IR, and then turn around and let black girls do white guys. You don't like it, it may not be fair, but American business does NOT have a fairness doctrine. These women have freedom of choice- white girls can choose to do IR if they want (even at Ben English's agency there are girls with IR on their card) and black women can turn down white guys. It's just that most of the money in the industry is going to come from white people and if they ask for certain things, you give it to them.
2) Black men are not killing porn, I don't even understand this unconnected thought...
3) Sean, Marcus and mostly Lex can move SOME product, but it really depends on the girls. You can pair Lex with five of the hottest new no name girls in the world it'll sell pretty good, but you get any decent black dude with Alexis T. and that'll outsell anything out there. The girl is the most important thing about porn.
4) IR is not selling like mad. Really not much of anything is selling like mad. Nobody buys much of anything anymore. Just about any film you name I'll find on ten different porn boards for free. Parodies seem to be doing okay.
But you want to make the argument that IR is selling like mad? OK.
My answer then is: SO WHAT?
If I'm a porn producer and I don't want to shoot IR I don't have to. If you're right, it's costing me money, so given that, why doesn't somebody else step in and shoot the IR, pay the girls well and make the money?
If it's so easy to shoot an IR film and make a ton of money, why don't more people do it? While there are plenty of racists in porn, there are plenty who are not racist, but they're not shooting much IR either, right? You can bring up Jules Jordan who makes, two or three IR movies a YEAR? Evil Angel? Yet another producer who barely makes a few movies a year.
Why isn't WCP making a billion dollars a year like Vivid?
Maybe it's because IR is just a good niche that makes decent money, but isn't as necessary as you seem to think?
4) An agent can do whatever they want outside of stealing the girl's money or forcing her to have sex with him. A girl has the choice to look for another agent.
Black girls don't get paid as much? So what?
When a hot black girl can move as much product as Jenna Jameson she'll make the same money. When a sexy black girl can move 50,000 DVDs she can choose who she fucks, white or black.
All white girls aren't paid the same either. The market is about how many movies they can sell.
It's a very simple concept.
Heather Hunter during the late eighties/early nineties was a Vivid contract girl. She made great money, more than most of the girls in the business.
Why?
Because her face on a box sold movies.
There simply isn't another black girl who has exploded like she did.
I would wager most Asian girls in American porn don't make as much money as Asia Carrera or Tera Patrick have during their careers.
So your complaints which seem to be rooted in a sense of "it's not fair" may have some moral correctness to them, but mean little or nothing in the world of business.


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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:05 am 
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Trick E wrote:
Jkmack, dude, how much crack you smokin?

Too much.


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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:42 pm 
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This is a hard and rather unfair fact (I hope I am wrong) but black women are a hard sell in an industry dominated by white men. From a business stand point for BF they may not have a choice but to do IR because again they are trying to survive in an industry geared towards one race.


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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:12 pm 
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JMack wrote:
What are you talking about imperiusrex IR is still selling right now and there are some IR movies on the AVN Top 20 Sale Charts. IR porn wasn't that big in the 80's and mid 90's but it gotten good inthe late 90's thinks to Lexington Steele and Jules Jordan who put it on the map. Also companies like WCP, Evil Angel, EA, and others who shoot IR too. By the 2000 there were new company like ZT, Mercanary, Black Ice, Jules Jordan Video, and others shoot IR. Also black porn isn't selling like it used to be since 2000 and black porn doesn't want to go far like white and IR porn. Most black girls don't do anal, blowbang, or dp like the white girls do because they are affraid to get there hair mess up in shit. But LT black porn is selling because it doesn't have no ghetto sterotypes in shit just good black porn like he make it. Black Nasty Housewife 2 was on the XRent Top 20 in the past few month and it got good review. i stop watching black porn after 2000 because I wasn't into to it but I watch moslty IR and even white on white porn a few times


It's selling, but it is not the driving force of the industry. Porn will always make money from hot new girls.
I don't know what AVN chart you're looking at but this one:
http://business.avn.com/charts/Top-100-Rentals/
is mostly celebrity, parody and big name driven porn (Jesse Jane, Jenna Jameson). You go to this list and tell me how many of the top 75 are specifically IR.
Not many.

how many IR titles in the top 100 sales?
http://business.avn.com/charts/Top-100-Overall-Sales/
I would wager less than 5% are IR titles.
That's insignificant.

The same with the xrent charts
http://www.xrentdvd.com/default.html
One or two scattered IR titles.
If IR makes so much money that studios can't live without it, why aren't there more titles?
If you refuse to even read and understand your own charts that you referred to, I give up...


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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:38 pm 
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There are people here like Jmack who want total equality in porn with the Whites who rule the industry, and that's not realistic. Blacks are 13% of the population and a small porn consumer base, and have a tumultuous sexual history with Whites. The inequality is always discussed here, but considering the big picture, Black men do have an adequate status in the industry, they have the most successful sub-genre. Realistically, things could be worst. And over time there will probably be more progress.

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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:06 pm 
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JMack wrote:
Dude there are IR titles on that list, and it still selling, but do you see black on black porn on there, no. This is why black woman are leaving porn because they are less paid and can't sell a boxcover. There are about 3 or 4 IR titles are on the Top 20 and about 20 on the Top 1000. Pluse some studio who shoot IR movies know this too.


Really?
List them.
List the IR themed films on each of those lists.
Go ahead.
Don't count the movies that have one or two random IR scenes with five or six predominantly white porn scenes- list the specific IR films that sell based the fact that they are strictly IR on these lists.
Don't count Naughty Black Housewives which is all black, either.


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