What happened to rico strong?
@wildman99
This is why I don't call her a liar:

I believe that she believes that she was assaulted on set.

Before I explain myself, however, I will say that looking at things objectively, she was slightly taken advantage of, in a way. She had no idea she was shooting for a FacialAbuse site. That said, we all saw the evidence of her consenting - multiple times - to the knowledge that she did not have to do anything she was uncomfortable with. We all saw her list her limits, and agree to a "rough" scene. However, despite all of those preliminaries, she still left production "in shock."

This seems to be the difference between me and all of you. I believe that part of her story is genuine. The part where she details how she left set feeling assaulted. However, she agreed to all of the terms put in front of her. All of them. By definition, that doesn't make her a liar, it makes her wrong.

What makes it especially henious, is the fact that she went to the cops and tried to toss Rico and Dave under the bus. She did the exact opposite of what she agreed to do. Posting videos online and shit? Regardless of what industry you're in, those are extraordinarily underhanded and unprofessional things to do. 100% worthy of being blacklisted.

So no, I don't think she's a liar. I think she's telling the truth about how she felt and how she feels. However, as the evidence shows, she doesn't really have a leg to stand on.
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What the fuck did I just read?

So making false claims to the cops is not lying?

Making false claims about Rico is not lying?

Making false claims about what you agreed to is not lying?

Dude, what planet do you live on?
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It's not false if she legitimately feels as though she was assaulted. That's the whole point of my post, my dude. What were you reading?

Obviously if she took Rico to court, she would lose because of the evidence against her. However, that doesn't mean what she felt was a lie, it just means she didn't have any evidence to support her claim.

Just because she's wrong doesn't mean she's lying. Life just ain't that black & white.
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Stating facts that did not occur is NOT an opinion. She straight up lied, son. I wish someone would post the vids. It's not an opinion when you state as fact that something happened, and it's verified/proven that they did not. That's not a "feeling" or an "intuition", that's a lie.

Intentionally misstating facts is NOT an opinion. It's a lie. Or are you saying she has amnesia and don't remember what happened?
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...Bro.

Her entire claim is that she feels like she was assaulted. All the overexaggerations she made about being "force fed apples," etc. while significant, are kind of besides the point. Therefore, to use that to develop the conclusion that she's a liar is completely misleading. It makes it sound like she was lying about everything.

If you believe that she lied and she never really felt violated, that would be one thing. I would understand. From that perspective, that would mean her entire case is a farce. However, you think she's telling truth about that, it would mean grievance is valid, but ultimately wrong.
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Then she shouldn't have agreed to do a rough scene. You can complain about feeling assaulted when every act that was performed was agreed upon ahead of time. She put herself in that situation willingly and with eyes wide open. Regardless of how she "feels" it's her own damn fault.
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^ Yes. I agree.
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I'm as liberal as they come. Maybe more. Maybe socialist. But this "believe women" ish might get someone thrown in jail for something they didn't do, and I guarantee it won't be a White guy. I think Rico is only still working because a White male was having his livelihood threatened. I wasn't too aware of all this when it happened but I went back and took a look at things, finding myself agreeing with freakin Mike South.

Raven's only claiming *now* that she felt like she was assaulted. She was stating it as fact before, not just a feeling. She went to the police expecting them to take what happened as *fact* not as feeling. She may well have felt she was in a bad situation but you can't put someone in jail for making you feel bad, especially when you have an agreement between two consenting adults of sound mind.
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(08-10-2018, 05:55 PM)bakajin Wrote: I'm as liberal as they come. Maybe more. Maybe socialist. But this "believe women" ish might get someone thrown in jail for something they didn't do, and I guarantee it won't be a White guy. I think Rico is only still working because a White male was having his livelihood threatened. I wasn't too aware of all this when it happened but I went back and took a look at things, finding myself agreeing with freakin Mike South.

Raven's only claiming *now* that she felt like she was assaulted. She was stating it as fact before, not just a feeling. She went to the police expecting them to take what happened as *fact* not as feeling. She may well have felt she was in a bad situation but you can't put someone in jail for making you feel bad, especially when you have an agreement between two consenting adults of sound mind.

Not porn related but look up Brian Banks, in 2002 a classmate accused him of rape faced 41 years in prison his lawyer convinced him to take a plea because nobody would believe him because he was a big black teenage and he would more than likely be facing an all white jury, he spent 5 years in jail another 5 on probation had to register as a sex offender, in 2011 got the woman to confess but secretly recorded because he had a feeling she would not fess up in front of anyone else because she ended up suing the school district and winning $1.5 million .  She has been in hid ever since then.Dude was a prospect with a scholarship offer to USC.  Had his life taken away from him for 10 years because of a lie.
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(08-10-2018, 04:24 PM)thomroyal Wrote: @wildman99
This is why I don't call her a liar:

I believe that she believes that she was assaulted on set.
bro, did i not say that i believed her too, at first? i watched her youtube video on the issue. i was fully behind her and thought rico was a piece of shit. it's only after i watched the unedited scene myself, that i immediately pulled my support for her. the video shows that she was complacent in EVERYTHING. people are not MIND-READERS, if she was uncomfortable, all she had to do is speak up. instead, she conspired with her wife, nikki hearts, to falsely accuse an innocent man. her police report placed the blame solely on rico strong. it's only AFTER the fact, that she claimed she was doing all this to protect other women from dave the director. face it, bro. she tried to use her privilege to get an innocent black man locked up. she knew that EVERYONE would believe her, no matter what. she didn't bank on there being evidence of her LIES. once dave released the video evidence,  she started attacking him. how dare he stick up for rico and mess up her plans! she is in no position to be critical of dave's productions when she has done scenes where she's suspended from the ceiling with metal hooks in her skin!

honestly, i think she was kinda jealous of rico strong. why? because her wife, for some reason, had a HUGE crush on rico. perhaps she was tired of wife always swooning over the dude? i mean, nikki was super cool with him. she even brought rico his favorite candy, at his request, when she came to pick up leigh. maybe leigh felt neglected and wanted attention? once the tears starting rolling and nikki saw that leigh was upset, she immediately when into full #metoo support mode. "what's wrong, leigh? what happened?" at that moment, nikki passed the test! you see what i mean? people do shit like that to each other all the time, test their relationships. i really believe that this whole thing wasn't supposed to get to this level. once things went into motion, it seems like it was nikki that pushed for a lot of shit like going to the police and making a youtube video about it. i don't believe that leigh intended for things to go this far. she was coached by her wife to be a victim. i think once things got going, leigh didn't know how to stop it. because if she went back on her initial claims, she risked nikki being REALLY mad at her. i think leigh raven accomplished her misson of breaking up the one-sided crush her wife had for rico.
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