My Trump epiphany: The President is The Bible
#21
It would be a mistake for her or Bernie to run. She's toxic and he's too old.

The party needs to think younger, and avoid pseudo-Republicans like Kamala Harris.
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#22
I first remember seeing Booker in some PBS doc that was covering his run to be mayor. He seems to be a comic book nerd actually trying to live up to his childhood fantasies (and doing a pretty decent job of it), but in the end that still means he has that Hilary-like ambition factor, that i agree with a lot, and I believe is actually a bit more nefarious than that when it comes to HRC. Her witchy cackle when she heard that Gadaffi was killed just disturbs me, and me, with my love of liveleaks and all, I'm damn near a sociopath myself. Just watch that Vice Haiti episode.
Bernie was and probably will be the closest we'll get to a politician that was completely sincere and moralistic (the dude won't even endorse his own son) AND willing to take HUGE political risks . He's weak in the Machiavellian machinations that's thought to be indispensable for politicians, but good will, the true support of the masses and just common sense, all in his wheel house, ( Trump PRETENDS to have the last two plus the machination) would have gone a long long way. He's more topical and intuitive than Obama ever was. He's just an archetype of a person we've never seen in this position before, so we doubt the possibility of it.
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(07-13-2018, 01:42 AM)elblazer Wrote: I first remember seeing Booker in some PBS doc that was covering his run to be mayor. He seems to be a comic book nerd actually trying to live up to his childhood fantasies (and doing a pretty decent job of it), but in the end that still means he has that Hilary-like ambition factor, that i agree with a lot, and I believe is actually a bit more nefarious than that when it comes to HRC.  Her witchy cackle when she heard that Gadaffi was killed just disturbs me, and me, with my love of liveleaks and all, I'm damn near a sociopath myself. Just watch that Vice Haiti episode.
  Bernie was and probably will be the closest we'll get to a politician that was completely sincere and moralistic (the dude won't even endorse his own son) AND willing to take HUGE political risks . He's weak in the Machiavellian machinations that's thought to be indispensable for politicians, but good will, the true support of the masses and just common sense, all in his wheel house, ( Trump PRETENDS to have the last two plus the machination) would have gone a long long way. He's more topical and intuitive than Obama ever was. He's just an archetype of a person we've never seen in this position before, so we doubt the possibility of it.
I vehemently disagree about him being more topical or intuitive than Obama.  When you have to navigate two worlds, as Obama has had to do all his life, and you achieve the unthinkable, your INTUITION and awareness of things happening around you has to be paramount on a daily basis.  I think Obama, like myself, is too pragmatic, too clinical, and that drives some on the left nuts, cause a huge faction of them will ALWAYS chase windmills and unicorns.  Also Bernie's "whiteness" allows him the latitude to say and do things that Obama could never do. He's just the latest example of version of a "chicken in every pot" politician promising the world with ZERO chance to deliver.

The Republicans should thank God EVERY DAY for Fox News, because that more than anything blunted Obama's effectiveness while destroying HRC.

As for Booker, I dunno.  He doesn't have a Michelle on his arm, and I think that matters a lot, especially today.
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#24
The shit that came out today that proves almost to a tee....that Trump and company had Putin all over him is huge!!!
That fuckin Wikileaks bastard Assange was in on it, Roger Stone, all of them bastards.....running round flooding us with propaganda, fake news, lies and repeated coordination with a foreign power.....thanks Mike Flynn..."Mr Lock her up", Jill Stein...and Manafort. Did you all know those guys had a black ops firm called Manafort, Black and Stone....that ran shinanagins...

The Dems better put up a well rounded and quick whipped explainer that can call to arms American against the oppression the GOP and Trump are doing.
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(07-13-2018, 06:20 AM)Chessmaster Wrote:
(07-13-2018, 01:42 AM)elblazer Wrote: I first remember seeing Booker in some PBS doc that was covering his run to be mayor. He seems to be a comic book nerd actually trying to live up to his childhood fantasies (and doing a pretty decent job of it), but in the end that still means he has that Hilary-like ambition factor, that i agree with a lot, and I believe is actually a bit more nefarious than that when it comes to HRC.  Her witchy cackle when she heard that Gadaffi was killed just disturbs me, and me, with my love of liveleaks and all, I'm damn near a sociopath myself. Just watch that Vice Haiti episode.
  Bernie was and probably will be the closest we'll get to a politician that was completely sincere and moralistic (the dude won't even endorse his own son) AND willing to take HUGE political risks . He's weak in the Machiavellian machinations that's thought to be indispensable for politicians, but good will, the true support of the masses and just common sense, all in his wheel house, ( Trump PRETENDS to have the last two plus the machination) would have gone a long long way. He's more topical and intuitive than Obama ever was. He's just an archetype of a person we've never seen in this position before, so we doubt the possibility of it.
I vehemently disagree about him being more topical or intuitive than Obama.  When you have to navigate two worlds, as Obama has had to do all his life, and you achieve the unthinkable, your INTUITION and awareness of things happening around you has to be paramount on a daily basis.  I think Obama, like myself, is too pragmatic, too clinical, and that drives some on the left nuts, cause a huge faction of them will ALWAYS chase windmills and unicorns.  Also Bernie's "whiteness" allows him the latitude to say and do things that Obama could never do. He's just the latest example of version of a "chicken in every pot" politician promising the world with ZERO chance to deliver.

The Republicans should thank God EVERY DAY for Fox News, because that more than anything blunted Obama's effectiveness while destroying HRC.

As for Booker, I dunno.  He doesn't have a Michelle on his arm, and I think that matters a lot, especially today.


Obama remained practically silent on every issue of moralistic matter during his entire presidency. It's telling how he chooses to disappear so completely from the spotlight.  Bernie shoots straight and sticks to his guns on every issue, from Israel, to BLM, to Justice reform, not to mention his usual socialist message, He reacts pretty quickly to things that happen now, with a solution that's effective right now, while Obama always talks as if he is above the issue, always framing things in terms of a perspective from the universe or evolution or history or some shit but never, ever deviates from the agenda the powers behind the scenes sets for him. Obama is  the living incarnation of the Old (white?) Man, the (gay?) Little Boy and the (black/immigrant/convict?) Donkey.
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(07-14-2018, 07:53 PM)elblazer Wrote: Obama remained practically silent on every issue of moralistic  matter during his entire presidency. It's telling how he chooses to disappear so completely from the spotlight.  Bernie shoots straight and sticks to his guns on every issue, from Israel, to BLM, to Justice reform, not to mention his usual socialist message, He reacts pretty quickly to things that happen now, with a solution that's effective right now,  while Obama always talks as if he is above the issue, always framing things in terms of a perspective from the universe or evolution or history or some shit but never, ever deviates from the agenda the powers behind the scenes sets for him. Obama is  the living  incarnation of the Old (white?) Man, the (gay?) Little Boy and the (black/immigrant/convict?) Donkey.

I think you may be exaggerating a bit about Obama, I think he took some solid stands on a variety of issues. Having said that, yeah Bernie shoots from the hip as you say. He also lost.

We need to be realistic about that. All the moralizing in the world means nothing if you don't win. A generous rich man can change the world, but a generous poor man is just a poor man.
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#27
(07-14-2018, 07:53 PM)elblazer Wrote:
(07-13-2018, 06:20 AM)Chessmaster Wrote:
(07-13-2018, 01:42 AM)elblazer Wrote: I first remember seeing Booker in some PBS doc that was covering his run to be mayor. He seems to be a comic book nerd actually trying to live up to his childhood fantasies (and doing a pretty decent job of it), but in the end that still means he has that Hilary-like ambition factor, that i agree with a lot, and I believe is actually a bit more nefarious than that when it comes to HRC.  Her witchy cackle when she heard that Gadaffi was killed just disturbs me, and me, with my love of liveleaks and all, I'm damn near a sociopath myself. Just watch that Vice Haiti episode.
  Bernie was and probably will be the closest we'll get to a politician that was completely sincere and moralistic (the dude won't even endorse his own son) AND willing to take HUGE political risks . He's weak in the Machiavellian machinations that's thought to be indispensable for politicians, but good will, the true support of the masses and just common sense, all in his wheel house, ( Trump PRETENDS to have the last two plus the machination) would have gone a long long way. He's more topical and intuitive than Obama ever was. He's just an archetype of a person we've never seen in this position before, so we doubt the possibility of it.
I vehemently disagree about him being more topical or intuitive than Obama.  When you have to navigate two worlds, as Obama has had to do all his life, and you achieve the unthinkable, your INTUITION and awareness of things happening around you has to be paramount on a daily basis.  I think Obama, like myself, is too pragmatic, too clinical, and that drives some on the left nuts, cause a huge faction of them will ALWAYS chase windmills and unicorns.  Also Bernie's "whiteness" allows him the latitude to say and do things that Obama could never do. He's just the latest example of version of a "chicken in every pot" politician promising the world with ZERO chance to deliver.

The Republicans should thank God EVERY DAY for Fox News, because that more than anything blunted Obama's effectiveness while destroying HRC.

As for Booker, I dunno.  He doesn't have a Michelle on his arm, and I think that matters a lot, especially today.


Obama remained practically silent on every issue of moralistic  matter during his entire presidency. It's telling how he chooses to disappear so completely from the spotlight.  Bernie shoots straight and sticks to his guns on every issue, from Israel, to BLM, to Justice reform, not to mention his usual socialist message, He reacts pretty quickly to things that happen now, with a solution that's effective right now,  while Obama always talks as if he is above the issue, always framing things in terms of a perspective from the universe or evolution or history or some shit but never, ever deviates from the agenda the powers behind the scenes sets for him. Obama is  the living  incarnation of the Old (white?) Man, the (gay?) Little Boy and the (black/immigrant/convict?) Donkey.
What?!?!  Do you remember him talking about Zimmerman killing Trayvon Martin, defending people's right to peacefully protest, the Selma speech, speeches and press conferences gay rights, gun violence, etc, etc..  Using the DOJ to combat rogue police departments.  All while Fox News called him a communist, socialist, tyrant, racist, illegitimate, muslim, traitor, anti-American, 24 hrs a day for 8 years!!!  OBAMA WAS THE MOST MORALLY ACTIVE PRESIDENT OF THIS ERA AND IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.
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He made those speeches because he HAD to. It would look bad to even the KKK if he didn't. They were addressed to low hanging fruit and didn't move the buck one iota. Eric Holder was probably about 85% autonomous and is innately slightly more socially pro-active than Obama, but like Obama is still mostly nondescript/centrist as to his actual views on most issues.
As much as I hate his presidency I would say George W. Bush was the most actively moral president of the recent era. He didn't fuck up central America like Obama, had the only workable immigration policy suggestions even now. He made a really solid effort to enhance the relationship with Africa, especially regarding trade, not just the usual USAID theme of the term, unlike Obama who only proselytized them and continued what Bush started.
Bush authorized 4 billion for addiction treatment and rehab in his first two years out of a sense of compassion. Obama authorized 1 billion in his final year, out of a sense of securing his legacy among blacks. George W. Bush was truly into prison/criminal reform (in the current sense) as a governor and it was a quarter of his agenda, but got sidetracked by those other issues. Obama never addressed prison/justice reform until it was punched forcefully into his psyche by people like Cornel West, and then only paid it lip service.
Aside from the usual rightwing views (tax cuts for the rich, support stop and frisk etc), Bush's three big fuck ups, the Iraq war and Katrina, and the financial meltdown( plus the Patriot Act) was due to hubris, an innately slow reaction time and Republican pressure respectively, not moral failing.
Recent democratic presidents have been status quo/return to status quo presidents except on social liberalization issues (re homosexuality), republican presidents actually shake things up, Bernie would have been the first Dem since FDR (and LBJ somewhat) to actually do some shit.
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