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(01-11-2019, 03:43 AM)Fumz Wrote:
(01-11-2019, 02:57 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(01-11-2019, 02:24 AM)Fumz Wrote: Things I've learned along the way.

It is never a good idea and always a terrible idea for an admin to issue a ban based on a thread in which the admin is an active participant in a squabble. Even assuming a ban is totally justified, it would still look like an abuse of power expressly because the admin, the only one who wields power, was a participant. In these cases it's much better to have another admin come in and moderate appropriately. if moderation is needed.  

Politely, in this case, I'm not sure another moderator would have arrived at the same conclusion? That can still happen.

This thread is usually benign... good for a chuckle. This particular ban though isn't funny at all, and it's doing damage, unnecessarily. Now cats are getting banned in the ban thread. Old admins are coming out tossing bombs. Because it was never clearly articulated, Vesuvius is now the Dark Lord who would have shut the forum down during the free-for-all to gain control of the boards. Grievances are being exposed.

This case looks particularly bad because it is particularly bad. To review, we're talking about a movie thread. You were the OP and said you liked it. In your very first reply to someone critical of dick cheney, you broke enough rules to earn yourself a week ban. You were no nicer to Vesuvius when he said he didn't like it either. The perception, already, is that you were looking for a fight. It happens, everyone has bad days. Your action toward Vesuvius though were particularly harsh. Because of that, there's no way to erase the perception that this was motivated by personal animus. You didn't limit yourself to venting; instead, you took action. And that's the part that's never not going to look terrible.

Perhaps let Hoss review this ban?


Some points.

1) Doing damage? Good Lord, man. Get some perspective. A guy can't post on a porn board for a couple of months. I didn't steal his car or kidnap his wife. What do you think he's going to do, hang himself in the closet with a necktie? Get real.

2) I get to ban whomever I want, whenever I want because I'm the guy who stepped up to save this forum from going under. I engaged the board REPEATEDLY for someone else to take over and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON STEPPED FORWARD. I made sacrifices. Financial and otherwise, to complete that mission. As a result, I get to do things my way. Because I EARNED THAT RIGHT.

3) Hersch was banned for name calling, which is expressly prohibited by the forum rules. Why you chose to complain about this, I don't know.

4)  I broke no rules addressing Theo's post. Theo is on the whacko list for good reason. He has posted hate speech on this board which would gotten him banned a great many other places. I've afforded him latitude, but it is important to let members know that the management of this board does not endorse his hateful viewpoints. I was simply reiterating that point.

5) Lastly, Vesuvius was on thin ice to begin with. I find it interesting that you continue to ignore the fact that he himself called for the ban. And if "personal animus" was so much my motivation, how come I didn't ban Theo? Yet another gaping hole in your logic, there.

Vesuvius is banned for six months. You know who gets to review that ban? Me. I just reviewed it. Just right now. And I came to the same conclusion: If you call for a ban, you're probably going to get one. And you know what, I bet nobody else tries that bullshit tactic again for this very reason. It was a childish bluff and it got called.

1) I didn't mean damaage to Vesuvius, I meant to damage to your credibility.

2) I don't recall anyone ever disputing this point.

3) Pointing out ironies and complaining are not the same thing.


4) Name calling is against the rules. You just banned YH for it. Calling a person names simply because he doesn't have a good view of dick cheney or because they're on a list is still name calling. I have no idea what the "whacko list" is? But I do know that telling someone they're "simple minded", "like a woman with their feelings hurt", and "incapable of critical thought", is, in fact, name calling.  http://ir-tube.net/showthread.php?tid=122731&pid=410852#pid410852 

5) This is the worst part of this entire fiasco.


Quote:If you ever see me quote you or like another of your posts, you have my blessing in banning me permanently.


This sentence is future tense. Vesuvius did not demand to be banned. I'm not the one avoiding this simple truth.

The idea of  fair and transparent moderation was one yourself promoted, and that was celebrated, at least by me. You've made yourself quite clear though (point 2), which begs the question, why does this thread even exist?

You have earned every right to ban who you want when you want for whatever you want, and right now you're exercising that right, whether it's fair or justified or not. Just saying... it's not a good look.
i admire your tenacity but it's kinda pointless. i am right there with you in that sometimes shotgun does say things that make you feel kinda judged. it's like if we have a certain point of view then we're hit with these "crazy" or "whacko" labels. i do think that is a form of name-calling. believe me, i've been on the receiving end of that. i don't like it and i've expressed that to him. but, in the end, this is HIS ship. so do the rules REALLY apply to him though? at the end of the day, he's going to do WHATEVER because all of this belongs to him. we're not going to win pointing out his inconsistencies. i have learned to deal with that because, frankly, it's not worth it to argue back and forth with the owner. he's fair at his own discretion. if he decided to go outside of that, he could and we wouldn't be able to do shit about it. i think we should all realize that luxury as an owner and stop nitpicking. he's definitely not perfect. but he's WAY better than most admins/owners of other porn message-boards. many of them CENSOR the hell outta people with no explanations or fucks given. this owner is as good as it gets. believe me.
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(01-11-2019, 04:59 PM)wildman99 Wrote: i admire your tenacity but it's kinda pointless. i am right there with you in that sometimes shotgun does say things that make you feel kinda judged. it's like if we have a certain point of view then we're hit with these "crazy" or "whacko" labels. i do think that is a form of name-calling. believe me, i've been on the receiving end of that. i don't like it and i've expressed that to him. but, in the end, this is HIS ship. so do the rules REALLY apply to him though? at the end of the day, he's going to do WHATEVER because all of this belongs to him. we're not going to win pointing out his inconsistencies. i have learned to deal with that because, frankly, it's not worth it to argue back and forth with the owner. he's fair at his own discretion. if he decided to go outside of that, he could and we wouldn't be able to do shit about it. i think we should all realize that luxury as an owner and stop nitpicking. he's definitely not perfect. but he's WAY better than most admins/owners of other porn message-boards. many of them CENSOR the hell outta people with no explanations or fucks given. this owner is as good as it gets. believe me.

Internet squabbles don't bother me. Sometimes they're entertaining. I think no name calling, especially on the internet, is an impossible standard and, at best, often a gray line where perception is everything. However, it's a rule and so that must be respected. If it's broken from time to time.. meh, who cares? If the admin breaks that rule from time to time, meh... I don't care about that either. As long as both parties are giving and taking then let the fair fight happen. The report button is entirely unfamiliar to me. I know where it is, I've just never used it.

I understand that he's the King and all that that implies. I also understand he's human just like the rest of us. Mistakes will be made. I don't fault guys for making mistakes; I make them all the time. I tend to focus on how guys react after they've made a mistake.  I was straight up honest when I said that I liked and appreciated all the changes he made to these boards. I think they're a MUCH better place as a direct result.

Yes, he's the owner now, but at the same time, we're still a community. That should mean something. Nobody "owns" a community. A community is a collection of like minded willing participants. I've been here almost 10 years... listening to the same two niggas on the stoop argue about who's titties are nicer or who has the fatter pussy. I enjoy that shit. It's why I come here. I like listening to those two argue back and forth. In large part, it's why we're all here, or at least, I think it's why some of the members have been around so long. You can find porn anywhere. That's not what makes this place unique. What makes this place unique is its members. One of our own just had his head lopped off for no good reason, and that bothers me, in spite of my appreciation for what the new admin has done, because that wasn't an enforcement of any rule; instead, it was an unprovoked attack on the community. I understand that that's a rather harsh view, but an unbiased review of the evidence suggests exactly that. Keep in mind, any bias I may have had going into this was towards Shotgun, not against him.

In any event. He's provided a space to allow us to voice concerns, and I've taken advantage of that. I don't think it was a waste of time, if for no other reason than I really needed to get it off my chest.
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(02-19-2019, 04:39 PM)iramaj Wrote: Lol who did he go at this time.

From the Europe HIV shutdown thread:

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Anybody complaining about political correctness are just a bunch of shitheads crying they can't call people n*gg*rs and f*gg*ts anymore without getting in trouble.

Find a time machine and hop back to 1953 if living in the 21st century is such a bad deal for you.
                                                                               

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