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All of that is true. It's also irrelevant. We don't vote, so they win. Until young people, Brown people and Black people start voting at much higher rates, this shit will continue.
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(08-11-2018, 10:15 PM)sapphi10489 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:03 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:36 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 05:32 AM)RickTheDick Wrote: Is anybody asking how this is gonna be funded?

Not a peep from the "Balanced Budged Amendment" party.

Sorry balanced budgets are just racial codewords.  Whole reason why I left Ron Paulism and Liberatarian movement behind. Right wing politics are just a cleverly disguised racist scheme.
Government Healthcare = poor blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government Education = poor blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government pension = poor old black getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government jobs = poor educated blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it

Hence, the right wing says, cut all these programs because it is perceived by whites as unfairly going to blacks.  Now when you add on the fact, the average rural white has to drive 30-60 minutes on empty country roads to get their kids to school, and they go to a city and see a school on every block, they erroneously believe blacks are getting more (when they get less from government).

"Get white Americans focused on their racial fears and resentments, and a lot of them will vote vote against the blacks instead of the plutocrats — and some will even come to believe that welfare programs don’t redistribute resources from the wealthy to working people, but rather, from diligent whites to indolent minorities.

new study from sociologists at Stanford and UC Berkeley confirms the efficacy of this maneuver."


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...trick.html

You don't need a new study for something that has always been obvious among white America. Lyndon B. Johnson was saying this back in the 1960s. This race based divide and conquer strategy was implemented after Bacon's Rebellion.When African slaves and white indentured servants fought the ruling class.Whites will continue being the useful idiot to their detriment.

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” -LBJ

So the real question then becomes, what are black going to do about it?
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Read the post above yours.

If we don't vote, nothing we do matters.
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(08-11-2018, 10:36 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: All of that is true. It's also irrelevant. We don't vote, so they win. Until young people, Brown people and Black people start voting at much higher rates, this shit will continue.

Hmmm... Only problem I see with voting, is that it has not been effective in many cases.  We voted in Obama who refused to do anything for blacks, we had Byron Allen (who was one of Obama's largest donors) write an article about the 7 things Obama could have done for blacks without the congress or the senate and Obama didn't do.  He tried to get him to do it but he wouldn't.  We had Jesse Jackson who was a major organizer for Obama and who helped him get elected fighting for blacks and Obama locked him out the white house after he wouldn't drop the issue.

We need black or white politicians who will actually HELP black people specifically with targeted programs like the native indians get when they get into power.

I am also skeptical of building any coalition with "brown" people, specifically latinos, because 1. The track record of black + other coalition has been horrendous(Italians, Irish, Jews, run off turn white and forget about helping blacks) 2. Most latinos treat blacks poorly in their own country and aspire to whiteness (which is why 53% of latinos are calling themselves white on the census) 3. I have not seen them ever in large numbers stick their necks out for blacks.  Why don't I see la raza marching for reparations or marching for philando castille?

" In the 2010 census, the majority of Hispanic respondents, 53 percent, said they are white, a mere 2.5 percent said they are black, and more than 35 percent chose a category other than black or white (some choosing “Hispanic” itself or their national origin as their racial classification). A majority of “single race” Hispanics selected a white racial identity."

As a latino, from my view, it looks like the goal of the average hispanic is to basically assimilate into whiteness.

"By 2011, according to a study by Wendy Wang of the Pew Research Center, 26 percent of Hispanic newlyweds married non-Hispanics. Eighty percent of third-generation Hispanics are the offspring of mixed marriages. The consequences for Hispanic identification are striking. From one generation to the next, the descendants identify less as Hispanic and more as non-Hispanic white in a pattern that economists Brian Duncan and Stephen Trejo call “ethnic attrition.”

"(For these findings, see William Darity Jr., Jason Dietrich, and Darrick Hamilton, “Bleach in the Rainbow: Latin Ethnicity and Preference for Whiteness,” Transforming Anthropology, 13:2 October 2005 103-109.) The preference for whiteness among Hispanics parallels a flight from blackness."

"For example, a much higher proportion of Puerto Ricans on the island identify as white, 80 percent, than Puerto Ricans living on the mainland, 53 percent, in the 2000 census, as Mara Loveman and Jeronimo Muniz show in a 2007 article, “How Puerto Rico Became White,” in the American Sociological Review."

"All this clouds the political implications of America’s changing demography. Hispanics collectively are unlikely to share common cause with black Americans over a common racial identity. As Gabriel Arana has pointed out, white-identified Hispanics are more likely to support the Republican Party than those who choose a nonwhite racial identity"

http://prospect.org/article/latino-flight-whiteness

So you got 53% of Hispanics calling themselves white, you got 80% of Puerto Ricans calling themselves white, the Hispanics themselves are telling you white hispanics are more likely to be republicans like Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz.  So where is this coalition going to come from?

Black people need to get behind politicians who from day 1 have their back and promise them specific dollar figure guarantees and amounts.  No more of this vague bullshit, so they can be held accountable specifically.
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(08-12-2018, 01:32 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:36 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: All of that is true. It's also irrelevant. We don't vote, so they win. Until young people, Brown people and Black people start voting at much higher rates, this shit will continue.

Hmmm... Only problem I see with voting, is that it has not been effective in many cases.  We voted in Obama who refused to do anything for blacks

I forgot how far out in left field your politics were.

Let's just start with Obama. What specific policies do you think he SHOULD have implemented?
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(08-12-2018, 01:09 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:15 PM)sapphi10489 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:03 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:36 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 05:32 AM)RickTheDick Wrote: Is anybody asking how this is gonna be funded?

Not a peep from the "Balanced Budged Amendment" party.

Sorry balanced budgets are just racial codewords.  Whole reason why I left Ron Paulism and Liberatarian movement behind. Right wing politics are just a cleverly disguised racist scheme.
Government Healthcare = poor blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government Education = poor blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government pension = poor old black getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government jobs = poor educated blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it

Hence, the right wing says, cut all these programs because it is perceived by whites as unfairly going to blacks.  Now when you add on the fact, the average rural white has to drive 30-60 minutes on empty country roads to get their kids to school, and they go to a city and see a school on every block, they erroneously believe blacks are getting more (when they get less from government).

"Get white Americans focused on their racial fears and resentments, and a lot of them will vote vote against the blacks instead of the plutocrats — and some will even come to believe that welfare programs don’t redistribute resources from the wealthy to working people, but rather, from diligent whites to indolent minorities.

new study from sociologists at Stanford and UC Berkeley confirms the efficacy of this maneuver."


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...trick.html

You don't need a new study for something that has always been obvious among white America. Lyndon B. Johnson was saying this back in the 1960s. This race based divide and conquer strategy was implemented after Bacon's Rebellion.When African slaves and white indentured servants fought the ruling class.Whites will continue being the useful idiot to their detriment.

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” -LBJ

So the real question then becomes, what are black going to do about it?
Blacks will have to mobilize on local and state level like you saw in Alabama that kept out Roy Moore.And that includes calling out Dems that have also done nothing to help rebuild cities with majority black populations. Democatic leadership does nothing for blacks and goes"what are you going to do about,vote for republicans?" A large black voting bloc voting any third party would give them a wake up call. And black celebrities that use blacks to get to the top and then abandon the black community also need to be called out.We need more Lebron's not OJ's and Jordan.Or blacks need to use economic power to boycott their products,shoes,etc.Similar to how Glenn Beck and Bill Oreilly were knocked off air.

Right now the largest movement to accomplishment anything is the BLM movement. They're shifting to policy not just protests and getting things done.
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(08-12-2018, 04:32 PM)sapphi10489 Wrote:
(08-12-2018, 01:09 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:15 PM)sapphi10489 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:03 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(08-11-2018, 10:36 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Not a peep from the "Balanced Budged Amendment" party.

Sorry balanced budgets are just racial codewords.  Whole reason why I left Ron Paulism and Liberatarian movement behind. Right wing politics are just a cleverly disguised racist scheme.
Government Healthcare = poor blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government Education = poor blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government pension = poor old black getting government money = How you going to pay for it
Government jobs = poor educated blacks getting government money = How you going to pay for it

Hence, the right wing says, cut all these programs because it is perceived by whites as unfairly going to blacks.  Now when you add on the fact, the average rural white has to drive 30-60 minutes on empty country roads to get their kids to school, and they go to a city and see a school on every block, they erroneously believe blacks are getting more (when they get less from government).

"Get white Americans focused on their racial fears and resentments, and a lot of them will vote vote against the blacks instead of the plutocrats — and some will even come to believe that welfare programs don’t redistribute resources from the wealthy to working people, but rather, from diligent whites to indolent minorities.

new study from sociologists at Stanford and UC Berkeley confirms the efficacy of this maneuver."


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...trick.html

You don't need a new study for something that has always been obvious among white America. Lyndon B. Johnson was saying this back in the 1960s. This race based divide and conquer strategy was implemented after Bacon's Rebellion.When African slaves and white indentured servants fought the ruling class.Whites will continue being the useful idiot to their detriment.

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” -LBJ

So the real question then becomes, what are black going to do about it?
Blacks will have to mobilize on local and state level like you saw in Alabama that kept out Roy Moore.And that includes calling out Dems that have also done nothing to help rebuild cities with majority black populations. Democatic leadership does nothing for blacks and goes"what are you going to do about,vote for republicans?" A large black voting bloc voting any third party would give them a wake up call. And black celebrities that use blacks to get to the top and then abandon the black community also need to be called out.We need more Lebron's not OJ's and Jordan.Or blacks need to use economic power to boycott their products,shoes,etc.Similar to how Glenn Beck and Bill Oreilly were knocked off air.

Right now the largest movement to accomplishment anything is the BLM movement. They're shifting to policy not just protests and getting things done.

I agree with all of this. I think blacks should steal a page from the tea party, they have a "3rd party" in the republican party, and have basically taken it over with Paul Ryan and president tangerines.
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(08-12-2018, 01:51 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Let's just start with Obama. What specific policies do you think he SHOULD have implemented?

1. The 8 Byron Allen specified he should have to start.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/byron-all...06508.html

2. He should have settled the suit with Dr. Claud Anderson with the freedman indians treaty and adam and onis treaty issues.  This would have allowed blacks to access all of the goodies, gimmies, handouts, handups, etc. that white "Native Americans" access every year to the tune of billions. Neither would require an act of congress, approval of congress, or any other branch of government.  It was solely being blocked by Obama and his lawyers who fought Dr. Anderson tooth and nail through the appeals courts.  The worse part of it all is you have black indians who are kicked out of the white tribes because they are black and Obama did not and would not given them federal recognition which could have been done without congress but through the bureau of indian affairs or interior.

He also should have implemented Dr. Anderson's recommendations which can be found here in an open letter he wrote to him back in 2011
https://africanamericanmoney.wordpress.c...ent-obama/

3. Baby bonds

4. Federal jobs guarantee

5. Guaranteed minimum income/ Universal basic income

6. Black business loans.  He could have used his powers to pressure the banks to lend more to black businesses

7. Not abolish the quota to black businesses in federal contracting.  Obama abolished the 1% quota of federal contracts to go to black businesses in his FIRST term.

8. He should have closed the racial wealth gap.  Obama found a way to give reparations to 500+ white indian tribes every year he was in office and jews in 2015, while skipping over the blacks who put him into office.  Now I know you are going to say but reparations is "too divisive" or "unfeasible" or "White people going to be against it".  These are all true. However, they managed to give out reparations to the 500+ white Indians every year, the jews got it, the japanese got it, he should find a way to TRY to have blacks get it.  If he tried his best and failed, I'd say ok, at least the man tried.  Trump doesn't care about locking kids in cages., separating families, rigging elections, colluding with russia, paying off porn-stars, running a financial scam school, taking thousands of emoluments and violating the law left, right and center and being divisive, he doesn't let the political left tell him whats unfeasible or "black people going to be against it" so we better not scare or anger those scary black people.

I find it ironic.  Obama ran on hope and change, black folks came out in massive numbers turning the reddest or red state in the deep south blue.  Then he got into office and told you all the things he couldn't do to help blacks or progressives or people who put him in office.  Trump ran on doom and gloom and he can pass a $12 billion dollar white economic stimulus package for the white farmers of the white states in America. 

9. And one more extra thing, Obama could have issued thousands more pardons and commuted far more sentences than he did.  He could have literally issued tens of thousands of pardons to every non-violent drug offender in the nation.  Given the war on drugs being coded racist Nixonian war on blacks, it would have been a dam good thing he could have done to improve the lives of literally tens of thousands of black (and white) americans.

 I fail to see how Obama was any different than a white republican "moderate".  I agree with Dr. Anderson when he says Obama has been like Clarence Thomas in the white house.  I hope black people have learned a valuable lesson not to vote in anymore bad candidates like this who don't promise specific dollars into their communities and pockets (just because they are black)  I already see 2 shills, corey booker and kamila harris, just like Obama, never done a damn thing to help black folks or put money in their wallet but will coming begging for votes come election time.  Clinton losing was a very good thing for black people.  It shows black people cannot be so easily tricked again. They are now hold the Democrats accountable thanks to Obama.  So in a way, there is some perverse good to come from Obama.
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So basically, you and Byron Allen want Obama to be God.

Problem is, he isn't Black Jesus. There's a Congress. There are checks and balances that limit what he can do, and moreover, anything he could have done would easily have been reversed by Trump.

You also don't seem to have considered that Obama had to be everyone's president, not just Black America. If he bent the entire system towards us, the backlash and Trumpism would be even more embedded. You wanted him to be militantly Black and socialist to boot. Well that was never going to happen. If he had been, he never would have been elected.

This is the heart of my beef with liberals: YOU'RE TOTALLY NAIVE AND UNREALISTIC. How long do you think a Black President, bending the entire government in favor of Blacks, would have lasted? Sure as hell not 2 terms. Also, he's not God. He can't control what every corporation does, or what the economy does. Allen mentioned the unemployment rate for Blacks. It's at a historic low. You think Trump did that? Hell no. He's riding Obama's coat tails.

I don't think that you or Byron Allen have a firm grip on the realities of that office. You can't just wave a magic wand and end discrimination.
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People struggling to pay their medical bills, but we need a Space Force?

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