Mad Bomber Caught- Let the Racism Begin
#31
(10-28-2018, 03:31 PM)danhill544 Wrote: Sorry I don't see any buyers remorse,if anything he's gotten more popular.his approval rating is now at o r above Obama's at this time 2 years in to their terms.while it's true hillary was a horrible candidate I think it would have been a close election whoever ran against him.his stance on nafta and China resonated with alot of people.theyve seen their factories and jobs decimated the last 30 years by both parties.this was a big fuck you sent to the establishment by people that voted for trump.as he renegotiates these trade deals it will become more profitable for these companies to come back to the u.s. it was his message that alot of people agreed with.thats just one issue that resonated with people.also Obama care was very unpopular.as for Elizabeth warren,the Democrats would make a mistake running her against trump.im not sure who they could run really,maybe that Beto dude from Texas after he losses to Cruz by double digits.he will have plenty of money left over and two years to prepare himself for Trump insults.

In all fairness to Obama he was dealing with the healthcare onslaught as well as a country that was just on the other side of a recession. More importantly he was also dealing people who were finally starting to realize that he wasn't going to be able to just waive a magic wand change DC. That said they blew a number of messaging opportunities and created multiple unforced errors that he deservedly paid a price for.
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(10-28-2018, 10:20 PM)crocious Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 02:50 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 12:35 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 11:02 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: We need to draw a distinction here between "Trump Voters" and "Trump Supporters"

Because they are not the same thing. A WHOLE LOT of people held their nose to vote for Trump because...

a) They hated Hillary.

or

b) They voted party line.


So let's not get the people who are having buyers remorse confused with the whack jobs at his rallies. Provided that the Democratic Party can field a candidate that's not as poisionous as Hillary Clinton (i.e. someone like Elizabeth Warren) there is no chance these people vote for Trump again.

Do you really think Warren is as bad as Hilary and why?

after this DNA debacle? She's fucking TOXIC right now.

I've never been a Warren fan, I think she is a bomb thrower more than anything else. She is not a leader, she is a worker bee, but apparently she is starting to believe hew own hype and is considering a run for president. She never would have considered this several years ago, but power has a way of changing people.

Don't sleep on Warren.  She may be a liar regarding her lineage, but Trump has set the "Honesty" bar so low, Trump supporters will call her out at their own expense.  Warren got her start in politics talking populist points (Dangers of Wall Street running unchecked, and the rising healthcare debt.)
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#33
All I know is that I won’t be holding my breath for the “blue wave” that’s supposed to come in midterms. God I hope it does but I’m scared.
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#34
(10-29-2018, 04:39 AM)kcjones Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 10:20 PM)crocious Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 02:50 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 12:35 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 11:02 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: We need to draw a distinction here between "Trump Voters" and "Trump Supporters"

Because they are not the same thing. A WHOLE LOT of people held their nose to vote for Trump because...

a) They hated Hillary.

or

b) They voted party line.


So let's not get the people who are having buyers remorse confused with the whack jobs at his rallies. Provided that the Democratic Party can field a candidate that's not as poisionous as Hillary Clinton (i.e. someone like Elizabeth Warren) there is no chance these people vote for Trump again.

Do you really think Warren is as bad as Hilary and why?

after this DNA debacle? She's fucking TOXIC right now.

I've never been a Warren fan, I think she is a bomb thrower more than anything else. She is not a leader, she is a worker bee, but apparently she is starting to believe hew own hype and is considering a run for president. She never would have considered this several years ago, but power has a way of changing people.

Don't sleep on Warren.  She may be a liar regarding her lineage, but Trump has set the "Honesty" bar so low, Trump supporters will call her out at their own expense.  Warren got her start in politics talking populist points (Dangers of Wall Street running unchecked, and the rising healthcare debt.)
I still don't get all this Warren hate, what has she done so wrong.
And how is she lying on her lineage?  
She said she had native ancestry, took a dna test because Trump said she didn't and should prove it and she did, and she does have native ancestry.
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#35
(10-28-2018, 02:50 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 12:35 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 11:02 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: We need to draw a distinction here between "Trump Voters" and "Trump Supporters"

Because they are not the same thing. A WHOLE LOT of people held their nose to vote for Trump because...

a) They hated Hillary.

or

b) They voted party line.


So let's not get the people who are having buyers remorse confused with the whack jobs at his rallies. Provided that the Democratic Party can field a candidate that's not as poisionous as Hillary Clinton (i.e. someone like Elizabeth Warren) there is no chance these people vote for Trump again.

Do you really think Warren is as bad as Hilary and why?


After this DNA debacle? She's fucking TOXIC right now.

That is what I don't understand, how is it a debacle, she took a dna test which confirmed what she said, she is of native indian ancestry.
I'm starting to wonder if the sexism claims against female politicians are true, Trump lies constantly but no one gives a fuck, Gary Busey says he is mixed with native Indian, most the "native Indians" I met are whiter than her, there is a reason they are calling alot of these people Pretendians. She is one of the few white looking indians who can prove it.
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#36
(10-29-2018, 04:39 AM)kcjones Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 10:20 PM)crocious Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 02:50 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 12:35 PM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 11:02 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: We need to draw a distinction here between "Trump Voters" and "Trump Supporters"

Because they are not the same thing. A WHOLE LOT of people held their nose to vote for Trump because...

a) They hated Hillary.

or

b) They voted party line.


So let's not get the people who are having buyers remorse confused with the whack jobs at his rallies. Provided that the Democratic Party can field a candidate that's not as poisionous as Hillary Clinton (i.e. someone like Elizabeth Warren) there is no chance these people vote for Trump again.

Do you really think Warren is as bad as Hilary and why?

after this DNA debacle? She's fucking TOXIC right now.

I've never been a Warren fan, I think she is a bomb thrower more than anything else. She is not a leader, she is a worker bee, but apparently she is starting to believe hew own hype and is considering a run for president. She never would have considered this several years ago, but power has a way of changing people.

Don't sleep on Warren.  She may be a liar regarding her lineage, but Trump has set the "Honesty" bar so low, Trump supporters will call her out at their own expense.  Warren got her start in politics talking populist points (Dangers of Wall Street running unchecked, and the rising healthcare debt.)
I still don't get all this Warren hate, what has she done so wrong.
And how is she lying on her lineage?  
She said she had native ancestry, took a dna test because Trump said she didn't and should prove it and she did, and she does have native ancestry.
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#37
(10-28-2018, 10:26 PM)crocious Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 03:31 PM)danhill544 Wrote: Sorry I don't see any buyers remorse,if anything he's gotten more popular.his approval rating is now at o r above Obama's at this time 2 years in to their terms.while it's true hillary was a horrible candidate I think it would have been a close election whoever ran against him.his stance on nafta and China resonated with alot of people.theyve seen their factories and jobs decimated the last 30 years by both parties.this was a big fuck you sent to the establishment by people that voted for trump.as he renegotiates these trade deals it will become more profitable for these companies to come back to the u.s. it was his message that alot of people agreed with.thats just one issue that resonated with people.also Obama care was very unpopular.as for Elizabeth warren,the Democrats would make a mistake running her against trump.im not sure who they could run really,maybe that Beto dude from Texas after he losses to Cruz by double digits.he will have plenty of money left over and two years to prepare himself for Trump insults.

In all fairness to Obama he was dealing with the healthcare onslaught as well as a country that was just on the other side of a recession. More importantly he was also dealing people who were finally starting to realize that he wasn't going to be able to just waive a magic wand change DC. That said they blew a number of messaging opportunities and created multiple unforced errors that he deservedly paid a price for.
I agree,Obama could have gone down as a great president,instead he will be just average.he didn't get much done except Obama care and some executive orders.its true he came in with a bad economy but he had 8 years to do something..his gdp numbers were horrible bordering around 1 to 2 percent.now he's trying to take credit for a 4 percent or higher quarter growth.trumps tax cuts and deregulation is why the economy has doubled in growth the last two years.the deregulation probably helps more than the tax cuts.the economy recovered under Obama but it was a lathargic recovery.as for Obama care it had things in it that many americans liked but the mandate is what pissed so many people off.
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#38
(10-28-2018, 04:12 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 03:31 PM)danhill544 Wrote: Sorry I don't see any buyers remorse,if anything he's gotten more popular.his approval rating is now at o r above Obama's at this time 2 years in to their terms.while it's true hillary was a horrible candidate I think it would have been a close election whoever ran against him.his stance on nafta and China resonated with alot of people.theyve seen their factories and jobs decimated the last 30 years by both parties.this was a big fuck you sent to the establishment by people that voted for trump.as he renegotiates these trade deals it will become more profitable for these companies to come back to the u.s. it was his message that alot of people agreed with.thats just one issue that resonated with people.also Obama care was very unpopular.as for Elizabeth warren,the Democrats would make a mistake running her against trump.im not sure who they could run really,maybe that Beto dude from Texas after he losses to Cruz by double digits.he will have plenty of money left over and two years to prepare himself for Trump insults.

This rah rah bullshit you're spouting is the problem. I don't give a fuck about what team wins. I want what's best for the country. Trump has made America an international laughing stock. The economy was on the upswing long before he took office, so it's not like he inherited a bad one. He inherited a very strong economy and added a tax cut bubble to it. But we know, from the 80s, that tax cut bubbles burst.

So if he doesn't own the economy, what else has Trump done besides say a bunch of idiotic things? He's put two right wingers on the court. If you're a culture warrior, I guess that's good for you. Otherwise, he's done bupkis. And it's funny how you mentioned Obamacare, given how popular Trump has made that policy in his attempts to repeal it.

You can hate "the libs" and "the Dems" all you want. But it don't make America a better place. Trump is intentionally trying to rip America apart and that's a bad thing. I don't care that he's calling himself a Republican. I'd be fine with a moderate Republican as president. But your party has become home to only extremists. That hate niggers, hate wet backs, hate faggots, hate rag heads, and hate and hate and hate. No love, just hate. And that's bad for America.

It's clear you don't give a fuck about this country or it's future. You just "hate the libs". Well, as a veteran who served and loves this country, I just want America to work right. I don't care who's side does that. And clearly the current Republican party has no interest in America working right. When the economy turns, and it will because it always does, what will Republicans have to offer? More hate and blame for the "libs".

Nothing more. Because that's all they are now.
Hey,thanks for questioning my patriotism there.as for hating libs that's a two way street.theyre the ones running around with clubs and mace.by the way Webster's defines hate as a strong dislike,so I think there's a lot of haters in this country if that's the case.as for being an international laughing stock,well he who laughs last laughs the best.china is already starting to feel the effects of the tarrifs, they'll soon join Mexico and Canada to the tables to renegotiate.merkel from Germany is about to get the boot,Teresa may is in political trouble for not getting brexit finished and Brazil just elected what they call the Brazilian trump.so everyone can laugh just as the Democrats did in this country at their on demise.the world is moving towards a more nationalist type government for the time being.by nationalist I mean putting their country first before other treaties and such.but these movements come and go,it may last a couple years and then politics will swing back,sort of like a pendulum.as for the economy,yes it grew under Obama but it was a slow growth.it did ok.theres a reason why gdp is growing at 4 to 5 percent a quarter the last year.tax cuts and deregulation.im of the opinion that returning money back to the private sector is not a bad concept,but perhaps those who don't like the idea can give their tax cuts back to the government.one thing to watch is the defecit,Trump is not a classical conservative,he likes to spend so finding away to control spending should be at the top of their list.also inflation could rise if gdp continues to rise.but the government just took in more tax revenue than at any other time in the nation's history,so they have money to spend for the moment.
When you took over this forum you stated you would like to see more involvement or interaction with it's members I think.if you don't want to see a contrarian point of view let me know and I can go back to lurking like Ive done since the Mr.Marcus forum days.
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#39
(10-29-2018, 09:41 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(10-29-2018, 04:39 AM)kcjones Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 10:20 PM)crocious Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 02:50 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 12:35 PM)Ipay4 Wrote: Do you really think Warren is as bad as Hilary and why?

after this DNA debacle? She's fucking TOXIC right now.

I've never been a Warren fan, I think she is a bomb thrower more than anything else. She is not a leader, she is a worker bee, but apparently she is starting to believe hew own hype and is considering a run for president. She never would have considered this several years ago, but power has a way of changing people.

Don't sleep on Warren.  She may be a liar regarding her lineage, but Trump has set the "Honesty" bar so low, Trump supporters will call her out at their own expense.  Warren got her start in politics talking populist points (Dangers of Wall Street running unchecked, and the rising healthcare debt.)
I still don't get all this Warren hate, what has she done so wrong.
And how is she lying on her lineage?  
She said she had native ancestry, took a dna test because Trump said she didn't and should prove it and she did, and she does have native ancestry.

I don't hate Elizabeth Warren, but she at best lied about her heritage, and at worst got a job because of it.  She had Harvard list her as Native American faculty.  Before she was called out by Scott Brown in the Senate race for MA, she called her self Native American to the citizens of MA.  Her DNA test only proved that she has no more Native American lineage than the average Caucasian or African American, or as the joke goes, she's less Native American than a Jeep Grand Cherokee. African Americans typically have about 19% European lineage, and that's the lowest figure. Others say 22-29%. Warren is less than 1.5% Native American, which is on par for the average African American. I'm willing to bet Rachal Dolezal has as much Sub-Saharan African DNA as Warren has Native American DNA.

She's very intelligent, and would mop the floor with Trump in a debate.  She speaks a very populist message, more than a socialist message.  She's going to run for president, which is why she did the DNA test to put it behind her.
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#40
(10-29-2018, 11:43 AM)kcjones Wrote:
(10-29-2018, 09:41 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(10-29-2018, 04:39 AM)kcjones Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 10:20 PM)crocious Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 02:50 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: after this DNA debacle? She's fucking TOXIC right now.

I've never been a Warren fan, I think she is a bomb thrower more than anything else. She is not a leader, she is a worker bee, but apparently she is starting to believe hew own hype and is considering a run for president. She never would have considered this several years ago, but power has a way of changing people.

Don't sleep on Warren.  She may be a liar regarding her lineage, but Trump has set the "Honesty" bar so low, Trump supporters will call her out at their own expense.  Warren got her start in politics talking populist points (Dangers of Wall Street running unchecked, and the rising healthcare debt.)
I still don't get all this Warren hate, what has she done so wrong.
And how is she lying on her lineage?  
She said she had native ancestry, took a dna test because Trump said she didn't and should prove it and she did, and she does have native ancestry.

I don't hate Elizabeth Warren, but she at best lied about her heritage, and at worst got a job because of it.  She had Harvard list her as Native American faculty.  Before she was called out by Scott Brown in the Senate race for MA, she called her self Native American to the citizens of MA.  Her DNA test only proved that she has no more Native American lineage than the average Caucasian or African American, or as the joke goes, she's less Native American than a Jeep Grand Cherokee.  African Americans typically have about 19% European lineage, and that's the lowest figure.  Others say 22-29%.  Warren is less than 1.5% Native American, which is on par for the average African American.  I'm willing to bet Rachal Dolezal has as much Sub-Saharan African DNA as Warren has Native American DNA.

She's very intelligent, and would mop the floor with Trump in a debate.  She speaks a very populist message, more than a socialist message.  She's going to run for president, which is why she did the DNA test to put it behind her.

Exactly,that test proved that she's a Caucasian basically.not only that,but it also showed that she is more Caucasian than the average Caucasian.i have a friend in denmark that did one of those tests and said he was 1 percent asian.she should have just apologized tried to move on,she's falling into a trap arguing with Trump over this.also the Indian tribes feel disrespected by this.it just doesn't look good for her.the Democrat party needs to find a moderate  to run against Trump if they want a competitive race I think.they could run a liberal,maybe the country will vote for a liberal at this point,I just don't think so.
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