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(10-30-2018, 07:01 PM)btsstuff Wrote:
(10-29-2018, 10:01 AM)danhill544 Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 10:26 PM)crocious Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 03:31 PM)danhill544 Wrote: Sorry I don't see any buyers remorse,if anything he's gotten more popular.his approval rating is now at o r above Obama's at this time 2 years in to their terms.while it's true hillary was a horrible candidate I think it would have been a close election whoever ran against him.his stance on nafta and China resonated with alot of people.theyve seen their factories and jobs decimated the last 30 years by both parties.this was a big fuck you sent to the establishment by people that voted for trump.as he renegotiates these trade deals it will become more profitable for these companies to come back to the u.s. it was his message that alot of people agreed with.thats just one issue that resonated with people.also Obama care was very unpopular.as for Elizabeth warren,the Democrats would make a mistake running her against trump.im not sure who they could run really,maybe that Beto dude from Texas after he losses to Cruz by double digits.he will have plenty of money left over and two years to prepare himself for Trump insults.

In all fairness to Obama he was dealing with the healthcare onslaught as well as a country that was just on the other side of a recession. More importantly he was also dealing people who were finally starting to realize that he wasn't going to be able to just waive a magic wand change DC. That said they blew a number of messaging opportunities and created multiple unforced errors that he deservedly paid a price for.
I agree,Obama could have gone down as a great president,instead he will be just average.he didn't get much done except Obama care and some executive orders.its true he came in with a bad economy but he had 8 years to do something..his gdp numbers were horrible bordering around 1 to 2 percent.now he's trying to take credit for a 4 percent or higher quarter growth.trumps tax cuts and deregulation is why the economy has doubled in growth the last two years.the deregulation probably helps more than the tax cuts.the economy recovered under Obama but it was a lathargic recovery.as for Obama care it had things in it that many americans liked but the mandate is what pissed so many people off.

Facts.
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I said the economy did ok under Obama,in the chart many of those quarters are well under 1 percent, while some dip into negative territory.a robust and healthy economy will have strong growth every quarter we will see if trump can pull it off by  keeping strong growth the next two years.but I don't believe tax cuts in themselves cause bubbles,it's a multitude of things,the fed relaxing interest rates,banks loaning muney too easily,government spending,war.even the deficit which requires us to pay interest.but it's true people tend to spend when they have more which in turn can cause prices to rise,but a healthy economy should be able to produce good paying jobs and rising wages to offset the price increase.its when a mania starts we tend to get into trouble.like stock market or housing bubbles.the fed,in part,was created to curb these manias but it seems like thea fed is more reactionary to me.sometimes I wonder if we would be better off without the fed.im more worried about the defecit myself,at some point it's going to bite us in the ass,and itll be ugly.at this point I don't see spending being restrained by either party.republicans have all but given up trying to restrain spending.i would just say ride the wave at this point,try to pay down debt and save as much as you can my friends,cause the the good times always come to an end.theres always been bubbles and crashes,hell there was a damn tullip bubble in the netherlands back in the 1600s I think.it got so bad you could buy a house with certain tullips I read.there were bubbles and crashes before this nation existed and bubbles and crashes before and after the federal reserve existed.i think it's just tied to human behavior,most of us tend to follow the herd.if we see something good we want in on it,whether a rising stock or rising home prices.then there are the few that wait and watch.they profit off the rise and fall.
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(10-30-2018, 10:24 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Dan is right. Tax cuts do affect the economy and investment. We know this because of Reagan.

What he doesn't understand is that tax cuts create bubbles. And when that bubble bursts, the Republicans will do what they always do: blame the Democrats. Trump will say it, Fox news and the radio screamers will sell it, and the Red states will believe it.

The Democrats may well win the mid terms. This will make Trump angry, but the "Republican Strategists" will be elated. This way, when the economy does turn they can say "everything was fine until the Democrats took the house".

It's setting up perfectly for an entire generation of people's ignorance propped up by talking points and propaganda.
Rebublican and Democrats blame each other for everything.usually it's human behavior that causes bubbles,but both parties can help fuel the fire,depen depe on policy such as spending or maybe tax cuts at the wrong time.personaly I don't think it's a bad thing when you let the private sector keep more of it's own money.i think both parties have had bad policy at times that have fueled bubbles,but in the end it comes down to the people.they know they should save more or spend less.the public gets consumed by these manias like a stock market bubble or whatever else it'll be.once it starts there's hardly anyway to stop it.
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(10-31-2018, 08:58 AM)danhill544 Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 10:24 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Dan is right. Tax cuts do affect the economy and investment. We know this because of Reagan.

What he doesn't understand is that tax cuts create bubbles. And when that bubble bursts, the Republicans will do what they always do: blame the Democrats. Trump will say it, Fox news and the radio screamers will sell it, and the Red states will believe it.

The Democrats may well win the mid terms. This will make Trump angry, but the "Republican Strategists" will be elated. This way, when the economy does turn they can say "everything was fine until the Democrats took the house".

It's setting up perfectly for an entire generation of people's ignorance propped up by talking points and propaganda.
Rebublican and Democrats blame each other for everything.usually it's human behavior that causes bubbles,but both parties can help fuel the fire,depen depe on policy such as spending or maybe tax cuts at the wrong time.personaly I don't think it's a bad thing when you let the private sector keep more of it's own money.i think both parties have had bad policy at times that have fueled bubbles,but in the end it comes down to the people.they know they should save more or spend less.the public gets consumed by these manias like a stock market bubble or whatever else it'll be.once it starts there's hardly anyway to stop it.

We know that Supply Side Economics and upper income tax cuts, both championed by the Republicans, cause bubbles.

What specific policies by the Democrats cause economic bubbles.
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(10-31-2018, 10:09 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-31-2018, 08:58 AM)danhill544 Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 10:24 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Dan is right. Tax cuts do affect the economy and investment. We know this because of Reagan.

What he doesn't understand is that tax cuts create bubbles. And when that bubble bursts, the Republicans will do what they always do: blame the Democrats. Trump will say it, Fox news and the radio screamers will sell it, and the Red states will believe it.

The Democrats may well win the mid terms. This will make Trump angry, but the "Republican Strategists" will be elated. This way, when the economy does turn they can say "everything was fine until the Democrats took the house".

It's setting up perfectly for an entire generation of people's ignorance propped up by talking points and propaganda.
Rebublican and Democrats blame each other for everything.usually it's human behavior that causes bubbles,but both parties can help fuel the fire,depen depe on policy such as spending or maybe tax cuts at the wrong time.personaly I don't think it's a bad thing when you let the private sector keep more of it's own money.i think both parties have had bad policy at times that have fueled bubbles,but in the end it comes down to the people.they know they should save more or spend less.the public gets consumed by these manias like a stock market bubble or whatever else it'll be.once it starts there's hardly anyway to stop it.

We know that Supply Side Economics and upper income tax cuts, both championed by the Republicans, cause bubbles.

What specific policies by the Democrats cause economic bubbles.

We know high taxes have a negative effect in the private sector and the economy as a whole.we also know the government is spending more than it takes in, which is also a negative effect.when the government taxes the private sector theyret taking money out of that sector,while it's true government spending can replace the private sector spending to a point,this is not the case now.government spending is out of control, there's no money to spend only more debt to spend.government spending has to be brought under control on all levels,at the same time either no tax cut or small targeted tax cuts to middle class could keep economy humming along.as to trickle down economics,it actually worked.the tax cuts grew the economy while increasing tax revenue to the government,the problem was the spenders.rhey just can't help theirselves.reagan spent on military to drive the Soviets into Oblivion,and he made a deal with the Democrats to give them more spending in order to pass his bill.art laffer said supply side and as designed for the economy at that particular time,he said it might not necessarily be appropriate for today's economy.remember the economy was in bad shape when Reagan came in.
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(11-01-2018, 11:31 AM)danhill544 Wrote:
(10-31-2018, 10:09 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-31-2018, 08:58 AM)danhill544 Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 10:24 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Dan is right. Tax cuts do affect the economy and investment. We know this because of Reagan.

What he doesn't understand is that tax cuts create bubbles. And when that bubble bursts, the Republicans will do what they always do: blame the Democrats. Trump will say it, Fox news and the radio screamers will sell it, and the Red states will believe it.

The Democrats may well win the mid terms. This will make Trump angry, but the "Republican Strategists" will be elated. This way, when the economy does turn they can say "everything was fine until the Democrats took the house".

It's setting up perfectly for an entire generation of people's ignorance propped up by talking points and propaganda.
Rebublican and Democrats blame each other for everything.usually it's human behavior that causes bubbles,but both parties can help fuel the fire,depen depe on policy such as spending or maybe tax cuts at the wrong time.personaly I don't think it's a bad thing when you let the private sector keep more of it's own money.i think both parties have had bad policy at times that have fueled bubbles,but in the end it comes down to the people.they know they should save more or spend less.the public gets consumed by these manias like a stock market bubble or whatever else it'll be.once it starts there's hardly anyway to stop it.

We know that Supply Side Economics and upper income tax cuts, both championed by the Republicans, cause bubbles.

What specific policies by the Democrats cause economic bubbles.

We know high taxes have a negative effect in the private sector and the economy as a whole.we also know the government is spending more than it takes in, which is also a negative effect.when the government taxes the private sector theyret taking money out of that sector,while it's true government spending can replace the private sector spending to a point,this is not the case now.government spending is out of control, there's no money to spend only more debt to spend.government spending has to be brought under control on all levels,at the same time either no tax cut or small targeted tax cuts to middle class could keep economy humming along.as to trickle down economics,it actually worked.the tax cuts grew the economy while increasing tax revenue to the government,the problem was the spenders.rhey just can't help theirselves.reagan spent on military to drive the Soviets into Oblivion,and he made a deal with the Democrats to give them more spending in order to pass his bill.art laffer said supply side and as designed for the economy at that particular time,he said it might not necessarily be appropriate for today's economy.remember the economy was in bad shape when Reagan came in.

2 things here.

1) You need to use proper punctuation and paragraph breaks. This shit is too hard to read.

2) You didn't answer the question. You went on a diatribe about taxation and spending, you did not describe any specific policy  supported by the Democrats that causes bubbles. So try again.
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Dude,it's a porn forum i ain't gonna worry about punctuation too much.it's good enough to get a point across.
I'm saying tax cuts do not necessarily cause bubbles its what people choose to do with their money that can cause a bubble.most bubbles are usually focused in one area such as stocks or housing or whatever.the government policies can help guide those people to create a bubble such as making it easier to get housing loans when alot of those people probably should have saved for ten years before they got the loan. On the Republican side they might lower capital gains tax which could cause people to move money to stocks and creating a stock market bubble.letting people keep more of their money with a tax cut isn't the problem.when they cut taxes theyre not cutting shit they're just taking less of our money.its what people choose to do with their money that causes a bubble combined with government policy.maybe people should be taught to save more and spend less.we have a debt bubble, much of it was accumulated under Democrat programs.the debt bubble will be the mother of all bubbles.
I guess I could use less commas and a few paragraph breaks. Big Grin
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If you're going to insist on posting walls of unbroken text rants instead of well organized discussion points, then I'll just let you talk to your yourself.
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(11-01-2018, 02:17 PM)danhill544 Wrote: Dude,it's a porn forum i ain't gonna worry about punctuation too much.it's good enough to get a point across.

I'm saying tax cuts do not necessarily cause bubbles its what people choose to do with their money that can cause a bubble.most bubbles are usually focused in one area such as stocks or housing or whatever.the government policies can help guide those people to create a bubble such as making it easier to get housing loans when alot of those people probably should have saved for ten years before they got the loan.                                                        On the Republican side they might lower capital gains tax which could cause people to move money to stocks and creating a stock market bubble.letting people keep more of their money with a tax cut isn't the problem.when they cut taxes theyre not cutting shit they're just taking less of our money.its what people choose to do with their money that causes a bubble combined with government policy.maybe people should be taught to save more and  spend less.we have a debt bubble, much of it was accumulated under Democrat programs.the debt bubble will be the mother of all bubbles.

I guess I could use less commas and a few paragraph breaks. Big Grin

You are showing why almost no economist are believers of voodoo economics,even the right wing mocked Reagan when he came up with this foolish idea(particularly daddy bush and ron paul)

By the way, your own arguments highlighted in bold proved Shotguns point.
1. You point out rightly Repub. cut capital gain taxes (while raising middle class taxes)
2. The corporations then spend this money, creating hyper inflation of luxury goods while removing the taxes paid.
3. This then creates massive deficits, like the Trump deficit of 1.5 trillion, whereas both Obama and Clinton reduced the deficit, where their republican counterparts had all increased them since Nixon.
4. After advocating a policy which put money into the hands of the elite and strops it from the worker class, you then say well people should spend less money and save more.  Yet under the policy you advocate, no one is incentivized to do this.  The rich will spend their new money on either stocks, bonds, investments or luxury goods.  The workers who get republican tax raises and rich people's inflation now have less real money, so they spend more thanks to the deficits of the republicans and can't save more and are punished with inflation if they attempt to save.

The real issue is that you are unable to see (or unwilling to accept) that Republicans are bad for the economy, every time they are in office, they destroy the economy (Bush, Reagan, Bush sr., Nixon/Ford, and soon to be Trump) just like in Kansas where extreme right wing policy has destroyed the state.

The only reason people vote for Republicans are culture war issues.
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(11-01-2018, 11:31 AM)danhill544 Wrote:
(10-31-2018, 10:09 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-31-2018, 08:58 AM)danhill544 Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 10:24 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Dan is right. Tax cuts do affect the economy and investment. We know this because of Reagan.

What he doesn't understand is that tax cuts create bubbles. And when that bubble bursts, the Republicans will do what they always do: blame the Democrats. Trump will say it, Fox news and the radio screamers will sell it, and the Red states will believe it.

The Democrats may well win the mid terms. This will make Trump angry, but the "Republican Strategists" will be elated. This way, when the economy does turn they can say "everything was fine until the Democrats took the house".

It's setting up perfectly for an entire generation of people's ignorance propped up by talking points and propaganda.
Rebublican and Democrats blame each other for everything.usually it's human behavior that causes bubbles,but both parties can help fuel the fire,depen depe on policy such as spending or maybe tax cuts at the wrong time.personaly I don't think it's a bad thing when you let the private sector keep more of it's own money.i think both parties have had bad policy at times that have fueled bubbles,but in the end it comes down to the people.they know they should save more or spend less.the public gets consumed by these manias like a stock market bubble or whatever else it'll be.once it starts there's hardly anyway to stop it.

We know that Supply Side Economics and upper income tax cuts, both championed by the Republicans, cause bubbles.

What specific policies by the Democrats cause economic bubbles.

We know high taxes have a negative effect in the private sector and the economy as a whole.we also know the government is spending more than it takes in, which is also a negative effect.when the government taxes the private sector theyret taking money out of that sector,while it's true government spending can replace the private sector spending to a point,this is not the case now.government spending is out of control, there's no money to spend only more debt to spend.government spending has to be brought under control on all levels,at the same time either no tax cut or small targeted tax cuts to middle class could keep economy humming along.as to trickle down economics,it actually worked.the tax cuts grew the economy while increasing tax revenue to the government,the problem was the spenders.rhey just can't help theirselves.reagan spent on military to drive the Soviets into Oblivion,and he made a deal with the Democrats to give them more spending in order to pass his bill.art laffer said supply side and as designed for the economy at that particular time,he said it might not necessarily be appropriate for today's economy.remember the economy was in bad shape when Reagan came in.

You don't know enough economics to make a coherent argument.
There is no proof high taxes have a negative effect in the private sector at all, as America's most successful period was during its period of highest corporate and personal taxes (post ww2-1960s).  Before America had all these high taxes back in the early 1800s, America was a shithole country.

You claim government spending is out of control, without acknowledging your man Trump has vastly increased government spending and has increased the deficit by 1.5 trillion a year also worsening the debt.  You don't have an argument here, you have fox news talking points.

"Reagans" good economy, was really the democratic Tip O'neals (house democrats) good economy, they had raised taxes 8 times and increased spending, while Reagan insisted on running huge deficits which lead to the savings and loans crisis.

The reality is the dems had controlled the house from 1948 to 1994 in every single session except, one, so the entire gold age of america, was from Democrats, moon landing, Democrats, greatest economy in human history, democrats.  Once Republicans took the house in 1994, America has gone down the drain.
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