Alright you mother fuckers, lets have this Age Of Consent thing out...
(11-02-2018, 09:48 PM)imperiusrex Wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^

I 100% concede that most sex, maybe even 90% is meant for recreation and not procreation- and that we have many methods of reducing the chances of getting pregnant- but as many episodes of the Maury show have shown us, hooking up for fun often leads to child support for eighteen years. You simply cannot discount the chance of pregnancy during sex, no matter what precautions you take as that is the biological imperative your body is attempting to fulfill. Jeff Goldblum rightly points out in Jurassic Park that "life finds a way."

The reason that pregnancy is such an effective deterrent is because it is a life altering event and extremely possible especially in viable young partners. Look, even if I were playing Russian Roulette a with gun that only had a 1 in 100 chance of going off, I'd still think it was risky... so even though you can reduce the chances to a single digit number during sex, it's still risky and pregnancy is always possible, thus it's always a consideration.

All of that is true. But it only applies to intercourse.

You can't impregnate a girl's throat.
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(11-01-2018, 11:38 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-01-2018, 03:20 AM)Ipay4 Wrote: Psychologist use to call homosexuality a disease, now they are claiming men wanting to have sex with young attractive 16 year old females are a disease.  Soon they will just come on out and say sex with attractive women is a disease but sex with faggot is not.

And if we're going to get technical, Thomroyal cited the wrong "diagnosis" anyway. 14-16 would fall under "ephebophilia" not "hebephilia".

The term ephebophilia initially described the attraction to boys starting at puberty up to the age of 20. So if you want to be 100% correct you'd need to call it Parthenophilia which relates to the attraction to girls between about 12 and 17. What you seem to misunderstand is though, that those terms are not really distinct and furthermore not well defined throughout literature. They are used for different age groups and even different sexual orientations in different literature. Now again what does that mean? Even ICD-10 and DSM-5 use different definitions. 14 would still fall under hebephilia in some definitions and that was the age we were talking about I guess.
To be honest, this is a topic in which one side never will convince the other side. Thing is, I work with kids/teenagers on a daily basis and I know that most 14 year olds are still children in their head. If you wanna see them as sexual objects, well I never will agree that it's ok. I doubt you'd consider a relationship with a 14yo so what else than sexual objects are they to you?
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(11-03-2018, 01:27 AM)snakebyte666 Wrote:
(11-01-2018, 11:38 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-01-2018, 03:20 AM)Ipay4 Wrote: Psychologist use to call homosexuality a disease, now they are claiming men wanting to have sex with young attractive 16 year old females are a disease.  Soon they will just come on out and say sex with attractive women is a disease but sex with faggot is not.

And if we're going to get technical, Thomroyal cited the wrong "diagnosis" anyway. 14-16 would fall under "ephebophilia" not "hebephilia".

The term ephebophilia initially described the attraction to boys starting at puberty up to the age of 20. So if you want to be 100% correct you'd need to call it Parthenophilia which relates to the attraction to girls between about 12 and 17. What you seem to misunderstand is though, that those terms are not really distinct and furthermore not well defined throughout literature. They are used for different age groups and even different sexual orientations in different literature. Now again what does that mean? Even ICD-10 and DSM-5 use different definitions. 14 would still fall under hebephilia in some definitions and that was the age we were talking about I guess.
To be honest, this is a topic in which one side never will convince the other side. Thing is, I work with kids/teenagers on a daily basis and I know that most 14 year olds are still children in their head. If you wanna see them as sexual objects, well I never will agree that it's ok. I doubt you'd consider a relationship with a 14yo so what else than sexual objects are they to you?

Way to change the subject and sensationalize. You should work for Fox News.

First of all, young people today are not a representation of humanity. We coddle and infantilize our youth in a way that never happened before. Only wealthy people could afford to do this helicopter parent bullshit. I see the college students and young adults of this generation wearing pajamas to work and I just roll my eyes.

What you're talking about is the current youth culture. I'm 44. We had not 1 but 2 pregnancies in my 8th grade class. Girls in the 80s didn't want to be babies. They wanted to be grown and fought like hell to free themselves from the yoke. Today's girls all want to be 9 years old forever. You have GROWN MEN in this generation dressing up as My Little Pony. They're maturity has been stunted by this horrendous parenting culture.

So when you say teenagers today act like babies, I believe you. But it was not always that way. My old man got his first shotgun when he was 12 years old. He used to hunt rabbits in Baldwin Hills in LA. Can you name a 12 year old boy you'd trust on his own with a shotgun today? Probably not.

You're making my case for me here. We continue to treat teenagers like babies and they'll never grow up. You'll get more childishness later and later into adulthood. Coddling and hovering over young people makes them weak, immature and irresponsible. They never learn to be accountable because no accountability is asked of them. And your solution is to exacerbate the status quo rather than resist it because you naively think that just because it is this way that it always has been this way.

It hasn't.
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(11-03-2018, 01:53 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Get off my lawn!
To be clear, I agree with almost all of what you said, but man oh man, LMFAO!
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Shotgun isn't wrong on the coddling. I know plenty of 30+ year olds who still live at home in their mom's basement with no job and no future. Not even any intention to ever do anything with their life since their parents still treat them like children. That's the ugly side of helicopter parenting that some would rather ignore, but it seems more rampant than ever and growing at an alarming pace.

Hilariously, you can't even cite a growing life expectancy as an excuse to have kids stay kids well into their 30's and 40's since it's actually been decreasing here in the U.S...
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(11-03-2018, 01:53 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: You're making my case for me here.  We continue to treat teenagers like babies and they'll never grow up. You'll get more childishness later and later into adulthood.  Coddling and hovering over young people makes them weak, immature and irresponsible. They never learn to be accountable because no accountability is asked of them. And your solution is to exacerbate the status quo rather than resist it because you naively think that just because it is this way that it always has been this way. 


Humans were raising kids to be adults by the time they become pre-teens in today's society.  Not gonna act like everything was perfect that way, but i have to agree that a LOT of people my age shock me- and I KNOW I'm not the most independent my damned self. A person's area can be a big factor if housing costs a lot and there aren't as many job opportunities, then you have people like me who are technically caretaking for a relative and your rent is a little 'elastic' (sometimes I pay more than the agreed amount), but on the flip side won't have the immediate worry if MY budget gets fucked by something unexpected.

What gets me more, is how people my age lack accountability for their actions... the complete shock they have when something stupid or risky they do goes wrong, and the entitlement that comes after. Although I'm beginning to notice some older folks with that same mindset smh...
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(11-03-2018, 03:52 AM)vesuvius Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 01:53 AM)Shotgun Styles Wrote: Get off my lawn!
To be clear, I agree with almost all of what you said, but man oh man, LMFAO!

I am not some old crank.

Dammit, I'm not!



Maybe a little.

(11-03-2018, 10:42 AM)Spops53190 Wrote: Humans were raising kids to be adults by the time they become pre-teens in today's society.  Not gonna act like everything was perfect that way, but i have to agree that a LOT of people my age shock me- and I KNOW I'm not the most independent my damned self. A person's area can be a big factor if housing costs a lot and there aren't as many job opportunities, then you have people like me who are technically caretaking for a relative and your rent is a little 'elastic' (sometimes I pay more than the agreed amount), but on the flip side won't have the immediate worry if MY budget gets fucked by something unexpected.

What gets me more, is how people my age lack accountability for their actions... the complete shock they have when something stupid or risky they do goes wrong, and the entitlement that comes after. Although I'm beginning to notice some older folks with that same mindset smh...

It's going to get worse before it gets better.

And look, I don't think people should throw their kids in the street. Your kids should always be able to come home, I firmly believe that. But there has to be some dignity to adulthood. Kids today are raised to think that being a kid and staying a kid forever is some kind of ideal life. In every one of these Age Of Consent discussions there's always a strong element of "preserving their childhood" or "protecting their innocence". But these kids aren't "innocent". Multiple studies have shown that they start watching porn around age 10.

Forcing childhood on a young person is just as harmful as forcing adulthood on them. I think each case should be taken on it's own merits. Girls who want to grow up should be allowed to. Girls who are a little slower should be left to move at their own pace. But perpetual childhood is unhealthy.
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(11-02-2018, 06:41 PM)whiteisright4bbc Wrote:
(10-30-2018, 03:39 PM)Spops53190 Wrote: While I agree that in the perfect world age wouldn't matter, scientifically speaking the part of the human brain that controls good decision making isn't fully developed until your 21. Normally this doesn't mean much- no one stops teenagers from drinking coffee, for example, because the repercussions of coffee drinking are small. But when it comes to drinking alcohol, getting behind the wheel, and sex, the stakes are much higher. Females in particular have to worry about pregnancy ON TOP OF STDs and so forth. Then there's the social aspects that can fuck with kids mind growing up because they feel "damaged" or "used up". But the latter can be solved by changing the way people view sex, and places like Japan have almost no STDs... Eventually people will develop more reliable birth control... ETC ETC
A lot of teens are already fucking, so what's wrong with THOSE teens fucking older people who are more experienced and can be more careful/understanding?

It's funny you mention Japan with it's extremely low STD rate AND birth rate for that matter (teen pregnancy? lol) and they have a 13 age of consent. I'd like to see proof of that age 21 decision making part of the brain fully developed, though. I think you may be imagining that number because it is he legal age to drink, but in reality, 21 year olds, who's brains are not fully developed and are more impulsive and have not fully developed their decision making, can drink and get behind the wheel of a car, humorously...
Learned about it in human biology and psychology classes but here's a quick search of it,

https://www.aacap.org/aacap/families_and...g-095.aspx

And this one is a study that's more wordy and suggests that I'm both right and wrong (in a convoluted, situational way). Just scroll down to the Conclusion section.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4671080/

Forgot you mentioned 21 specifically, apparently they're moving it to 25 possibly, or 21-25 from other sources

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24173194
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^ 25 for men, but I believe women's frontal lobe actually develops faster. So in actuality, the sexism with regard to statutory rape rulings actually should probably be reversed.
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Occasionally I enjoy foreign films and this 1977 Italian comedy, 'Beach House' caught my eye. Here is a screen grab showing an American Academy Award winning actress at age : 14 !

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It's Jodie Foster.

Talk about jail bait. Tempting for any man.
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