Alright you mother fuckers, lets have this Age Of Consent thing out...
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(10-28-2018, 05:55 PM)uiop90 Wrote: Never understood why people freak out over a teen having sex with someone older.

In certain situations I can understand why it's a no-no like it's teacher-student thing
but beyond that what's the issue.

BTW what brought up this subject?

We got into this in the release thread, sort of as a tangent.

But today I was reading the Jezebel article someone posted about the Rico Strong "rape" allegations which was totally dishonest. And it just reminded me of what a bullshit "crime" this is, and how people lie about teen sex to blame men for it.

Dudes on this board were all in on the "evils" of teen sex, but when they get called out: crickets.

They'll post one liners, gif memes, and other weak ass nutless comments, but they won't post an argument cuz they know they're full of shit.
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In my opinion, the real problem with such an age gap (14 & 40) is that it presents an inherent power imbalance favoring the adult. Adults already have considerably more rights and power in society than minors, and for good reason: minors aren't considered old enough to always exercise good judgment in certain scenarios. Sex itself is essentially a power dynamic between two individuals, so when you combine that with the power and authority an adult wields over a minor, I think the potential for abuse is very real (I don't just mean abuse of a sexual nature). In spirit, I have nothing against two consenting individuals doing whatever feels good to them, but in practice I don't think most 14 year olds are in a position to fully understand the ramifications of of such choices.
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(10-28-2018, 06:11 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 05:55 PM)uiop90 Wrote: Never understood why people freak out over a teen having sex with someone older.

In certain situations I can understand why it's a no-no like it's teacher-student thing
but beyond that what's the issue.

BTW what brought up this subject?

We got into this in the release thread, sort of as a tangent.

But today I was reading the Jezebel article someone posted about the Rico Strong "rape" allegations which was totally dishonest. And it just reminded me of what a bullshit "crime" this is, and how people lie about teen sex to blame men for it.

Dudes on this board were all in on the "evils" of teen sex, but when they get called out: crickets.

They'll post one liners, gif memes, and other weak ass nutless comments, but they won't post an argument cuz they know they're full of shit.


Yea. I may have been directly responsible for both those things. I posted that Amara Romani attempted suicide and it led to that tangent. I also posted the Jezebel article about the Rico thing. I however had nothing to do with any age of consent arguments. So don't use my Lebron post as the type of things those users post. I do agree with the side that age of consent should be lowered but I don't see it happening. "Think of the children" is the hardest argument to go up against in politics. Since if you go against it you get labeled a pedophile. It was how FOSTA/SESTA passed killing craiglist personals and backpage in the process.
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(10-28-2018, 04:43 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 04:38 PM)jeff2 Wrote: When you say "teenagers" how old are they. Also how old are the people having sex with these "teenagers".

Ok, first parameter: I advocate for a European age of consent, which in Germany is 14.

And no, I don't advocate for any silly "Romeo and Juliet" close-in-age exceptions. If she's old enough to fuck, she's old enough to fuck. Period.

What the hell prompted this nonsense?

Your scientific stipulation is a red herring. Physically there is no reason why someone can't have sex once they hit puberty, but sex is not just a physical act, it is an emotional one too as well as many other dynamics that are in play. 


  1. 25-30% of girls have not even had their first period by age 14
  2. The majority of 14 year olds out there are not experienced or emotionally mature enough in life to maintain a sexual relationship with a 40 year old. If you are going to counter that it is just sex, then you have clearly lost all perspective on this which it appears that you already have given how hard you are advocating for this
  3. The brain is not even fully developed at that age and they are more susceptible to a lack of impulse control, manipulation or emotional damage
  4. It is an open license for predators 
  5. The power dynamics are too skewed as the 40 year old will have all of the power and if they don't then the 40 year old needs to stop chasing teens and get their act together. While some level of imbalance is fine, that much is just unhealthy
  6. The majority of teens who would think it is gross to have some 40 year old pawing all over them

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Lastly most of the consent laws focus on the notion that teenagers are going to be having sex with each other an are in place so we don't needlessly send young adults to jail since teenagers are going to have sex laws be damned. They are not there for some old man wanting to use it as justification to get it on with young girls because he wants young pussy.

What you are advocating for is purely selfish. It is one thing to have two people who are going through roughly the same phase in life to figure out things, but a completely different thing to have someone who is considerably more mature come in and dictate how things are going to be which is what will happen when a 40 year old and 14 year old get together. The emotional carnage that would ensure from that kind of imbalance being made acceptable would be disastrous to society.
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(10-28-2018, 06:11 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(10-28-2018, 05:55 PM)uiop90 Wrote: Never understood why people freak out over a teen having sex with someone older.

In certain situations I can understand why it's a no-no like it's teacher-student thing
but beyond that what's the issue.

BTW what brought up this subject?

We got into this in the release thread, sort of as a tangent.

But today I was reading the Jezebel article someone posted about the Rico Strong "rape" allegations which was totally dishonest. And it just reminded me of what a bullshit "crime" this is, and how people lie about teen sex to blame men for it.

Dudes on this board were all in on the "evils" of teen sex, but when they get called out: crickets.

They'll post one liners, gif memes, and other weak ass nutless comments, but they won't post an argument cuz they know they're full of shit.

This is pure nonsense. The porn industry is full of women who went into porn at 18 without comprehending the consequences it would have on their lives and wish they could go back in time wit their  more mature selves and rethink that choice. And I'm not just talking about women who went on to vilify porn after they left the industry. 

I've long advocated for moving the minimum age for sex work to 23 as by then people have some life experience under them and have a better grasp about the consequences of their choices.
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OK, I have not been involved in this discussion before but I don't mind weighing in a tad now. First, all women aren't created equal, my mother had my older brother when she was 14 and she went on to become a loving responsible adult, woman, mother. There are some 14 year olds that would be absolutely ruined by such a game changing monumental episode in there young lives, so what does society do?? In the abundance of caution you try to protect all. Minors can't vote, file suit etc because society does not believe that they have the maturity and life experience to make such serious decisions on their own. I'm not sure that I disagree with that at all. And because society believes this, the law reflects this. It could well be that some 14 year olds appreciate all the ramifications of sexual conduct, disease, pregnancy whatever, but it is more likely that the majority do not, so what does society do, it tries to protect them all. The law is not just some arbitrary whimsical thing. Its an effort to protect those who may not be in position to protect themselves. I don't know the science, but this is the reason for the law.

Please do not interpret this to mean that I in any way agree with anything that King Complain says,

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It's hilarious how you keep telling other dudes to "grow some balls", when you clearly don't have the balls to admit you only started this thread to get out your frustrations about not being able to fuck young girls and not be looked at as a fucking creep.
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(10-28-2018, 06:22 PM)un57 Wrote: In my opinion, the real problem with such an age gap (14 & 40) is that it presents an inherent power imbalance favoring the adult. Adults already have considerably more rights and power in society than minors, and for good reason: minors aren't considered old enough to always exercise good judgment in certain scenarios. Sex itself is essentially a power dynamic between two individuals, so when you combine that with the power and authority an adult wields over a minor, I think the potential for abuse is very real (I don't just mean abuse of a sexual nature). In spirit, I have nothing against two consenting individuals doing whatever feels good to them, but in practice I don't think most 14 year olds are in a position to fully understand the ramifications of of such choices.

The problem with the "imbalance" argument is that most relationships have a power embalance.

By this argument, cops shouldn't be able to have sex with civilians, rich people shouldn't fuck poor people, and strong people shouldn't fuck weak people. And it doesn't work, because then NOBODY would have sex.

Beyond that, it largely focuses on people in authority. But if a teenager has sex with some guy they met at a party, he has no power over her because of his age. He's got no authority over her because he's not a parent, guardian, peace officer or educator. In that situation, where does the "power imbalance" occur?

(10-28-2018, 06:37 PM)crocious Wrote: What the hell prompted this nonsense?

Your scientific stipulation is a red herring. Physically there is no reason why someone can't have sex once they hit puberty, but sex is not just a physical act, it is an emotional one too as well as many other dynamics that are in play. 


  1. 25-30% of girls have not even had their first period by age 14
  2. The majority of 14 year olds out there are not experienced or emotionally mature enough in life to maintain a sexual relationship with a 40 year old. If you are going to counter that it is just sex, then you have clearly lost all perspective on this which it appears that you already have given how hard you are advocating for this
  3. The brain is not even fully developed at that age and they are more susceptible to a lack of impulse control, manipulation or emotional damage
  4. It is an open license for predators 
  5. The power dynamics are too skewed as the 40 year old will have all of the power and if they don't then the 40 year old needs to stop chasing teens and get their act together. While some level of imbalance is fine, that much is just unhealthy
  6. The majority of teens who would think it is gross to have some 40 year old pawing all over them

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Lastly most of the consent laws focus on the notion that teenagers are going to be having sex with each other an are in place so we don't needlessly send young adults to jail since teenagers are going to have sex laws be damned. They are not there for some old man wanting to use it as justification to get it on with young girls because he wants young pussy.

What you are advocating for is purely selfish. It is one thing to have two people who are going through roughly the same phase in life to figure out things, but a completely different thing to have someone who is considerably more mature come in and dictate how things are going to be which is what will happen when a 40 year old and 14 year old get together. The emotional carnage that would ensure from that kind of imbalance being made acceptable would be disastrous to society.

I was hoping you'd get in on this. I know you're not going to just say some stupid emotional bullshit, but try to attack it with some facts. And for that, I appreciate your response.

Now let me explain why you're just wrong.

1) As an SJW, you take the position that females are perpetual victims. That they can't make decisions for themselves and therefor must be protected at all times. Which is odd, given how much "respect" SJWs insist females get. So you're already coming at it from the "females are victims/men are predators" baseline. I may have bias, but so do you.

2) I've already addressed the power dynamic issue. It's bogus because power imbalances are common in sexual relationships and the amount of power someone without institutional authority has over a minor is quite limited.

3) Girls have the right to think older dudes are gross. But this is the point: the decision about what to do with their bodies should be their own. Not the State. The state has no right to make this decision for them, and moreover even less right to punish SOMEONE ELSE for that girls decision. The 14th Amendment specifically forbades Statutory Rape laws, but our corrupt Supreme Court has yet to issue a precedent enforcing it.

4) What I am advocating for is the right of female human beings to choose for themselves. These girls will grow into women believing that their sexuality does not belong to them. That it belongs to the state and by virtue of that, society. They will be bullied their entire lives for any sexual decision (such as making porn or having multiple partners) that does not fit into the bullshit norms YOU have arbitrarily assigned to them. And it starts with these laws. With the idea that they have no control over their own bodies.

Of course you want to make it about me, because that's the easy way out. You, for all your SJW pontificating, want to trap female humans in a cycle of judgement and shame. One that will last their ENTIRE LIVES. I am advocating for females to have sexual choice. You would enslave, where I would liberate.
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(10-28-2018, 06:44 PM)Coffin Wrote: OK,  I have not been involved in this discussion before but I don't mind weighing in a tad now.  First, all women aren't created equal,  my mother had my older brother when she was 14 and she went on to become a loving responsible adult, woman, mother.  There are some 14 year olds that would be absolutely ruined by such a game changing monumental episode in there young lives, so what does society do?? In the abundance of caution you try to protect all.  Minors can't vote, file suit etc because society does not believe that they have the maturity and life experience to make such serious decisions on their own.  I'm not sure that I disagree with that at all.  And because society believes this, the law reflects this.  It could well be that some 14 year olds appreciate all the ramifications of sexual conduct,  disease, pregnancy whatever, but it is more likely that the majority do not, so what does society do, it tries to protect them all.  The law is not just some arbitrary whimsical thing.  Its an effort to protect those who may not be in position to protect themselves.  I don't know the science, but this is the reason for the law.

Please do not interpret this to mean that I in any way agree with  anything that King Complain says,

I very much agree that this should be taken on a case by case basis. Which is a large part of why I oppose these laws. It denies the right of self determination to girls who can handle it, and destroys the lives of fathers. Imagine for a second that your mother had you at 14. Your dad goes to prison for 10 years just for siring you, then is tagged as a monster for life. Making it damn near impossible for him to earn a decent living to support you after he gets out. How does jailing and legally shunning him make your life better?


(10-28-2018, 06:48 PM)newbob Wrote: It's hilarious how you keep telling other dudes to "grow some balls", when you clearly don't have the balls to admit you only started this thread to get out your frustrations about not being able to fuck young girls and not be looked at as a fucking creep.

This is a wonderful non-argument. You ain't got the nuts to take a position, so you throw this cowardly shit out there. So let's clarify this: I've said on this board more times than I can count that I'm fuckin' pervert and have been since I was 10. I was a dirty old man in the 4th grade, nigga. I don't give a good gawd damn if someone think's I'm a "creep". What I do care about are the men who have their lives destroyed by these draconian laws.

Now. Grow some balls and make a real argument.
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I think part of your brain never evolved if you lay down with a child. Even if it's a 50 year old man with a 20 year old, something is off, but it's 2 adults. Sex with a teenager is animalistic. There's is nothing about it that is non-predatory, regardless of how she may feel about it. It doesn't matter that her body is physically "ready" for sex. It is way deeper that that alone and you're a sick fuck if you pass up alllllll the options in front of you to go stick your dick in something that uses Snapchat and buys ring pops.
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