Are black men into IR porn or not?
#21
(11-01-2018, 12:48 PM)Ipay4 Wrote: No one really knows.

1. Black women marry out their race the least of any racial/ethnic group in America, but the factors are different in different parts of the world.

2. For ease of discussion, we must limit the discussion to America.

3. On the one hand, it appears to me, black women are largely not attracted to white men. I mean they'll fuck a really sexy or handsome white man like a movie star if he is tall and handsome and all that. However, you won't normally see a black woman attracted to an average looking white guy in the way that Asian women clearly are.

4. On the other hand, the argument could be made, perhaps black women like white men, but white men are not interested in them, especially not for long term relations and marriage.  In many white families a white man marrying a black woman would probably be an all out declaration of war as most whites are raised to be racist.  Further black women who try to date/marry white men end up getting all kinds of racists and psychological abuse.  My sister is a psychologist, most of the people who come in to her practice are mixed race marriages involving white men fetisizing their partner.  In most white men's mind, black women on average are in the bottom of the looks department in their view.

As it relates to porn, black women who refuse to shoot with white men are basically banned and whiteballed and prevented from performing on those sites, even with black men.

5. There is also the issue where many black woman want to keep black men "in the pocket".  They really just want a gender war against black men, really want to be with a white man but have trouble to keep the white guy (white man will often have sex with them but not commit) so they want to keep black men in their back pocket in case their white man relationship don't work out.

6. This is why you saw black woman going wild over megan markle, because many of them would run away from black men for rich white men, if the white men were picking them.  

7. Instead, they are mad that it is easier for black men to date out, because there will always be some girl who wants to fuck a bad boy.  And the more other races bash black men, the more women of other races will want to fuck black men.  It is the same reason why women date men who drive their father's crazy and reject men who the father would likely approve of.  Basically the whole beauty and the beast complex.  White men literally call black people beast, and shoot them dead and kill them (ie Darren Wilson calling Michael Brown a beast).  

8. Unintentionally, white men have made black American men a sex symbol, because everything they attack black men over, just makes them more sexy in the eyes of half the female population.

1. True, in America, the stats show that black women marry black men almost exclusively, and they are the least likely to marry out.

2. However, in Britain (where I'm from) and South Africa, the numbers are more stark. Of all IR marriages between blacks and whites, 90% of these marriages involve a black woman and a white man. In the U.K. it's close to 1 in 3. 

3. False! (see evidence in 2. above and see 4. and 6. below)

4. True, its more to do with what white guys prefer, since they make up the majority of men in America, but the majority of white guys don't desire marriage with black women or are even attracted to them in America. However, in the U.K. and SA more white men are attracted to black women and so that explains why marriage numbers are much higher between them. 

5. Correct! This is why they will complain about the latest black male celeb dating some latina, or white chick, but stay silent of black female celebs like Serena or Eve, or Tika Sumpter hooking up with white bois. And all this criticism towards black male celebs in spite of the fact that majority of black male celebs are married to black women. 

6. Lol, and their black queen miss Markle doesn't even consider herself to black, yet they go harder for her blackness than she does. But it has nothing to do with that, but who she married and how it reflects their wants and desires. 

7. This is the source of the problem ultimately, people with options don't complain, like Naomi Campbell's of the world. This is why black women who are happily married to black men don't complain, this is why black women that are 8's and above don't complain about black men. 

8. I don't know if I can agree with this, maybe the contrast between cultures is at play rather than the negative association with it.
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Desirability and demographics are only so useful with this topic since all US dating websites and Apps state Asian females are the most desirable group. The largest group of IR couples are WM/AF. Yet what percentage of porn is WM/AF in the US? Not a lot. In the history of US porn, only a handful of asian female pornstars been true PornSTARS.
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(11-02-2018, 03:17 AM)Theo Younf Wrote:
(11-01-2018, 12:48 PM)Ipay4 Wrote: No one really knows.

1. Black women marry out their race the least of any racial/ethnic group in America, but the factors are different in different parts of the world.

2. For ease of discussion, we must limit the discussion to America.

3. On the one hand, it appears to me, black women are largely not attracted to white men. I mean they'll fuck a really sexy or handsome white man like a movie star if he is tall and handsome and all that. However, you won't normally see a black woman attracted to an average looking white guy in the way that Asian women clearly are.

4. On the other hand, the argument could be made, perhaps black women like white men, but white men are not interested in them, especially not for long term relations and marriage.  In many white families a white man marrying a black woman would probably be an all out declaration of war as most whites are raised to be racist.  Further black women who try to date/marry white men end up getting all kinds of racists and psychological abuse.  My sister is a psychologist, most of the people who come in to her practice are mixed race marriages involving white men fetisizing their partner.  In most white men's mind, black women on average are in the bottom of the looks department in their view.

As it relates to porn, black women who refuse to shoot with white men are basically banned and whiteballed and prevented from performing on those sites, even with black men.

5. There is also the issue where many black woman want to keep black men "in the pocket".  They really just want a gender war against black men, really want to be with a white man but have trouble to keep the white guy (white man will often have sex with them but not commit) so they want to keep black men in their back pocket in case their white man relationship don't work out.

6. This is why you saw black woman going wild over megan markle, because many of them would run away from black men for rich white men, if the white men were picking them.  

7. Instead, they are mad that it is easier for black men to date out, because there will always be some girl who wants to fuck a bad boy.  And the more other races bash black men, the more women of other races will want to fuck black men.  It is the same reason why women date men who drive their father's crazy and reject men who the father would likely approve of.  Basically the whole beauty and the beast complex.  White men literally call black people beast, and shoot them dead and kill them (ie Darren Wilson calling Michael Brown a beast).  

8. Unintentionally, white men have made black American men a sex symbol, because everything they attack black men over, just makes them more sexy in the eyes of half the female population.

1. True, in America, the stats show that black women marry black men almost exclusively, and they are the least likely to marry out.

2. However, in Britain (where I'm from) and South Africa, the numbers are more stark. Of all IR marriages between blacks and whites, 90% of these marriages involve a black woman and a white man. In the U.K. it's close to 1 in 3. 

3. False! (see evidence in 2. above and see 4. and 6. below)

4. True, its more to do with what white guys prefer, since they make up the majority of men in America, but the majority of white guys don't desire marriage with black women or are even attracted to them in America. However, in the U.K. and SA more white men are attracted to black women and so that explains why marriage numbers are much higher between them. 

5. Correct! This is why they will complain about the latest black male celeb dating some latina, or white chick, but stay silent of black female celebs like Serena or Eve, or Tika Sumpter hooking up with white bois. And all this criticism towards black male celebs in spite of the fact that majority of black male celebs are married to black women. 

6. Lol, and their black queen miss Markle doesn't even consider herself to black, yet they go harder for her blackness than she does. But it has nothing to do with that, but who she married and how it reflects their wants and desires. 

7. This is the source of the problem ultimately, people with options don't complain, like Naomi Campbell's of the world. This is why black women who are happily married to black men don't complain, this is why black women that are 8's and above don't complain about black men. 

8. I don't know if I can agree with this, maybe the contrast between cultures is at play rather than the negative association with it.


I have to take issue with a couple of points here. My number order does not correspond to yours.

1) Most Black women in America who were born before 1980 will flatly refuse to date white men. The white man is, to them, the rapist and the oppressor. That cultural phenomenon may well be exclusive to the US, but it is absolutely true.

2) Many younger Black women simply can't relate to white men. They try dating them and find them to be either clueless or fake. It's not that they can't find a white man, it's that they can't find a white man they can live with.

3) You can't compare South Africa or the UK to the US. Our culture is entirely unique within the world, so comparisons between the two do not work. Biologically men will fuck whatever makes their dick hard. The obstacles to attraction are most often cultural. The few biological factors that do exist only affect a minority of extreme cases (very dark skin, for example, is shunned by men the world over while fair skin is universally favored). Most people's phenotypical attributes are in the middle, not at the extremes.

4) Black women have the deck stacked against them with regard to dating. They are expected to be difficult. And, to some extent, they are. Being a Black woman is tough and it hardens most of them. Culturally, we lionize the "strong" Black woman, but the reality is that most men want sweet, submissive partners no matter what they tell their SJW friends.

5) Black women do not enjoy positive fetishization the way Black men do. I don't care where you live in America. If you're tall, Black and muscular, white women are checking you out. Period. We are the Alpha Males of American society. Sports, music, and pop culture support the idea that while white men may be the ideal long term mate, it is the Black man that is the ideal sexual object. For Black women, white and Asian women are far more objectified. The good news is, Black women get taken more seriously. The bad news is, social gravitas does not make the dick hard. We respect Oprah, but most of us would rather fuck Tomi Lahren.
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(11-02-2018, 03:17 AM)Theo Younf Wrote:
(11-01-2018, 12:48 PM)Ipay4 Wrote: No one really knows.

1. Black women marry out their race the least of any racial/ethnic group in America, but the factors are different in different parts of the world.

2. For ease of discussion, we must limit the discussion to America.

3. On the one hand, it appears to me, black women are largely not attracted to white men. I mean they'll fuck a really sexy or handsome white man like a movie star if he is tall and handsome and all that. However, you won't normally see a black woman attracted to an average looking white guy in the way that Asian women clearly are.

4. On the other hand, the argument could be made, perhaps black women like white men, but white men are not interested in them, especially not for long term relations and marriage.  In many white families a white man marrying a black woman would probably be an all out declaration of war as most whites are raised to be racist.  Further black women who try to date/marry white men end up getting all kinds of racists and psychological abuse.  My sister is a psychologist, most of the people who come in to her practice are mixed race marriages involving white men fetisizing their partner.  In most white men's mind, black women on average are in the bottom of the looks department in their view.

As it relates to porn, black women who refuse to shoot with white men are basically banned and whiteballed and prevented from performing on those sites, even with black men.

5. There is also the issue where many black woman want to keep black men "in the pocket".  They really just want a gender war against black men, really want to be with a white man but have trouble to keep the white guy (white man will often have sex with them but not commit) so they want to keep black men in their back pocket in case their white man relationship don't work out.

6. This is why you saw black woman going wild over megan markle, because many of them would run away from black men for rich white men, if the white men were picking them.  

7. Instead, they are mad that it is easier for black men to date out, because there will always be some girl who wants to fuck a bad boy.  And the more other races bash black men, the more women of other races will want to fuck black men.  It is the same reason why women date men who drive their father's crazy and reject men who the father would likely approve of.  Basically the whole beauty and the beast complex.  White men literally call black people beast, and shoot them dead and kill them (ie Darren Wilson calling Michael Brown a beast).  

8. Unintentionally, white men have made black American men a sex symbol, because everything they attack black men over, just makes them more sexy in the eyes of half the female population.

1. True, in America, the stats show that black women marry black men almost exclusively, and they are the least likely to marry out.

2. However, in Britain (where I'm from) and South Africa, the numbers are more stark. Of all IR marriages between blacks and whites, 90% of these marriages involve a black woman and a white man. In the U.K. it's close to 1 in 3. 

3. False! (see evidence in 2. above and see 4. and 6. below)

4. True, its more to do with what white guys prefer, since they make up the majority of men in America, but the majority of white guys don't desire marriage with black women or are even attracted to them in America. However, in the U.K. and SA more white men are attracted to black women and so that explains why marriage numbers are much higher between them. 

5. Correct! This is why they will complain about the latest black male celeb dating some latina, or white chick, but stay silent of black female celebs like Serena or Eve, or Tika Sumpter hooking up with white bois. And all this criticism towards black male celebs in spite of the fact that majority of black male celebs are married to black women. 

6. Lol, and their black queen miss Markle doesn't even consider herself to black, yet they go harder for her blackness than she does. But it has nothing to do with that, but who she married and how it reflects their wants and desires. 

7. This is the source of the problem ultimately, people with options don't complain, like Naomi Campbell's of the world. This is why black women who are happily married to black men don't complain, this is why black women that are 8's and above don't complain about black men. 

8. I don't know if I can agree with this, maybe the contrast between cultures is at play rather than the negative association with it.

I agree with your post, that was very bizarre to me how all these black females were lining up to claim her as black when she says she is "grey" and not black. You don't see a bunch of black men lining up to live vicariously through biracials like John Bohener just because he has some power but doesn't even consider himself black (like Meghan) despite both having blackmother white fathers.
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“Black women do not enjoy positive fetishization the way Black men do. I don't care where you live in America. If you're tall, Black and muscular, white women are checking you out. Period. We are the Alpha Males of American society. Sports, music, and pop culture support the idea that while white men may be the ideal long term mate, it is the Black man that is the ideal sexual object. For Black women, white and Asian women are far more objectified. The good news is, Black women get taken more seriously. The bad news is, social gravitas does not make the dick hard. We respect Oprah, but most of us would rather fuck Tomi Lahren.”

So true, can’t imagine fucking Oprah (yuck) but surely blonde hottie Tomi Lahren
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#26
(11-02-2018, 09:35 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-02-2018, 03:17 AM)Theo Younf Wrote:
(11-01-2018, 12:48 PM)Ipay4 Wrote: No one really knows.

1. Black women marry out their race the least of any racial/ethnic group in America, but the factors are different in different parts of the world.

2. For ease of discussion, we must limit the discussion to America.

3. On the one hand, it appears to me, black women are largely not attracted to white men. I mean they'll fuck a really sexy or handsome white man like a movie star if he is tall and handsome and all that. However, you won't normally see a black woman attracted to an average looking white guy in the way that Asian women clearly are.

4. On the other hand, the argument could be made, perhaps black women like white men, but white men are not interested in them, especially not for long term relations and marriage.  In many white families a white man marrying a black woman would probably be an all out declaration of war as most whites are raised to be racist.  Further black women who try to date/marry white men end up getting all kinds of racists and psychological abuse.  My sister is a psychologist, most of the people who come in to her practice are mixed race marriages involving white men fetisizing their partner.  In most white men's mind, black women on average are in the bottom of the looks department in their view.

As it relates to porn, black women who refuse to shoot with white men are basically banned and whiteballed and prevented from performing on those sites, even with black men.

5. There is also the issue where many black woman want to keep black men "in the pocket".  They really just want a gender war against black men, really want to be with a white man but have trouble to keep the white guy (white man will often have sex with them but not commit) so they want to keep black men in their back pocket in case their white man relationship don't work out.

6. This is why you saw black woman going wild over megan markle, because many of them would run away from black men for rich white men, if the white men were picking them.  

7. Instead, they are mad that it is easier for black men to date out, because there will always be some girl who wants to fuck a bad boy.  And the more other races bash black men, the more women of other races will want to fuck black men.  It is the same reason why women date men who drive their father's crazy and reject men who the father would likely approve of.  Basically the whole beauty and the beast complex.  White men literally call black people beast, and shoot them dead and kill them (ie Darren Wilson calling Michael Brown a beast).  

8. Unintentionally, white men have made black American men a sex symbol, because everything they attack black men over, just makes them more sexy in the eyes of half the female population.

1. True, in America, the stats show that black women marry black men almost exclusively, and they are the least likely to marry out.

2. However, in Britain (where I'm from) and South Africa, the numbers are more stark. Of all IR marriages between blacks and whites, 90% of these marriages involve a black woman and a white man. In the U.K. it's close to 1 in 3. 

3. False! (see evidence in 2. above and see 4. and 6. below)

4. True, its more to do with what white guys prefer, since they make up the majority of men in America, but the majority of white guys don't desire marriage with black women or are even attracted to them in America. However, in the U.K. and SA more white men are attracted to black women and so that explains why marriage numbers are much higher between them. 

5. Correct! This is why they will complain about the latest black male celeb dating some latina, or white chick, but stay silent of black female celebs like Serena or Eve, or Tika Sumpter hooking up with white bois. And all this criticism towards black male celebs in spite of the fact that majority of black male celebs are married to black women. 

6. Lol, and their black queen miss Markle doesn't even consider herself to black, yet they go harder for her blackness than she does. But it has nothing to do with that, but who she married and how it reflects their wants and desires. 

7. This is the source of the problem ultimately, people with options don't complain, like Naomi Campbell's of the world. This is why black women who are happily married to black men don't complain, this is why black women that are 8's and above don't complain about black men. 

8. I don't know if I can agree with this, maybe the contrast between cultures is at play rather than the negative association with it.


I have to take issue with a couple of points here. My number order does not correspond to yours.

1) Most Black women in America who were born before 1980 will flatly refuse to date white men. The white man is, to them, the rapist and the oppressor. That cultural phenomenon may well be exclusive to the US, but it is absolutely true.

2) Many younger Black women simply can't relate to white men. They try dating them and find them to be either clueless or fake. It's not that they can't find a white man, it's that they can't find a white man they can live with.

3) You can't compare South Africa or the UK to the US. Our culture is entirely unique within the world, so comparisons between the two do not work. Biologically men will fuck whatever makes their dick hard. The obstacles to attraction are most often cultural. The few biological factors that do exist only affect a minority of extreme cases (very dark skin, for example, is shunned by men the world over while fair skin is universally favored). Most people's phenotypical attributes are in the middle, not at the extremes.

4) Black women have the deck stacked against them with regard to dating. They are expected to be difficult. And, to some extent, they are. Being a Black woman is tough and it hardens most of them. Culturally, we lionize the "strong" Black woman, but the reality is that most men want sweet, submissive partners no matter what they tell their SJW friends.

5) Black women do not enjoy positive fetishization the way Black men do. I don't care where you live in America. If you're tall, Black and muscular, white women are checking you out. Period. We are the Alpha Males of American society. Sports, music, and pop culture support the idea that while white men may be the ideal long term mate, it is the Black man that is the ideal sexual object. For Black women, white and Asian women are far more objectified. The good news is, Black women get taken more seriously. The bad news is, social gravitas does not make the dick hard. We respect Oprah, but most of us would rather fuck Tomi Lahren.

Interesting points, as you are an American, I'm going to argue you on much, because you obviously have more insight than me.

However, I don't agree that 1) black women pre-1980 'refused' to date/marry white men, I just don't think in pre-1980s America, that average black women had more bargaining power decide between white men. White men historically had way more power to decide who and who they could date/marry. Look at all the famous black women that were married to or dated white men prior to 1980 the likes of Maya Angelou, Angela Davis, Josephine Baker, Eartha Kitt, Diahann Caroll, Diana Ross, Lena Horne, Pearl Bailey, Donna Summer, Tina Turner, Roxie Roker (mother of Lenny Kravitz) etc. These famous black women were open to dating white men as I believe black women were/are but the majority of white men are not Hollywood and so the average white guy refused to date black women. This does not account for the countless times in the U.S. that white guys screwed (or raped) black women behind closed doors. 

2) I don't really understand this point.

And none of your other points debunk what I've said, they support that the face white guys have the bargaining power in relationships, it's not really up to black women, as I believe that most black women are open to dating white guys, but the reverse, whether for 'cultural', 'biological', 'sociological' or whatever reason, cannot be said for white guys. As far as America goes, white men are simply NOT lining up to date/marry black women.
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(11-03-2018, 06:51 AM)RasterRal Wrote: “Black women do not enjoy positive fetishization the way Black men do. I don't care where you live in America. If you're tall, Black and muscular, white women are checking you out. Period. We are the Alpha Males of American society. Sports, music, and pop culture support the idea that while white men may be the ideal long term mate, it is the Black man that is the ideal sexual object. For Black women, white and Asian women are far more objectified. The good news is, Black women get taken more seriously. The bad news is, social gravitas does not make the dick hard. We respect Oprah, but most of us would rather fuck Tomi Lahren.”

So true, can’t imagine fucking Oprah (yuck) but surely blonde hottie Tomi Lahren

You would be surprised, I've heard it several times from some brothers that they would fuck Oprah cause she's 'thick'.
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(11-03-2018, 08:04 AM)Theo Younf Wrote: You would be surprised, I've heard it several times from some brothers that they would fuck Oprah cause she's 'thick'.

 Really!!! Damn, I really have throw up thinking about to have to fuck "thick" women like Oprah. Yuck. Give me young slender blondes or redheads please.
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#29
(11-03-2018, 08:02 AM)Theo Younf Wrote:
(11-02-2018, 09:35 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-02-2018, 03:17 AM)Theo Younf Wrote:
(11-01-2018, 12:48 PM)Ipay4 Wrote: No one really knows.

1. Black women marry out their race the least of any racial/ethnic group in America, but the factors are different in different parts of the world.

2. For ease of discussion, we must limit the discussion to America.

3. On the one hand, it appears to me, black women are largely not attracted to white men. I mean they'll fuck a really sexy or handsome white man like a movie star if he is tall and handsome and all that. However, you won't normally see a black woman attracted to an average looking white guy in the way that Asian women clearly are.

4. On the other hand, the argument could be made, perhaps black women like white men, but white men are not interested in them, especially not for long term relations and marriage.  In many white families a white man marrying a black woman would probably be an all out declaration of war as most whites are raised to be racist.  Further black women who try to date/marry white men end up getting all kinds of racists and psychological abuse.  My sister is a psychologist, most of the people who come in to her practice are mixed race marriages involving white men fetisizing their partner.  In most white men's mind, black women on average are in the bottom of the looks department in their view.

As it relates to porn, black women who refuse to shoot with white men are basically banned and whiteballed and prevented from performing on those sites, even with black men.

5. There is also the issue where many black woman want to keep black men "in the pocket".  They really just want a gender war against black men, really want to be with a white man but have trouble to keep the white guy (white man will often have sex with them but not commit) so they want to keep black men in their back pocket in case their white man relationship don't work out.

6. This is why you saw black woman going wild over megan markle, because many of them would run away from black men for rich white men, if the white men were picking them.  

7. Instead, they are mad that it is easier for black men to date out, because there will always be some girl who wants to fuck a bad boy.  And the more other races bash black men, the more women of other races will want to fuck black men.  It is the same reason why women date men who drive their father's crazy and reject men who the father would likely approve of.  Basically the whole beauty and the beast complex.  White men literally call black people beast, and shoot them dead and kill them (ie Darren Wilson calling Michael Brown a beast).  

8. Unintentionally, white men have made black American men a sex symbol, because everything they attack black men over, just makes them more sexy in the eyes of half the female population.

1. True, in America, the stats show that black women marry black men almost exclusively, and they are the least likely to marry out.

2. However, in Britain (where I'm from) and South Africa, the numbers are more stark. Of all IR marriages between blacks and whites, 90% of these marriages involve a black woman and a white man. In the U.K. it's close to 1 in 3. 

3. False! (see evidence in 2. above and see 4. and 6. below)

4. True, its more to do with what white guys prefer, since they make up the majority of men in America, but the majority of white guys don't desire marriage with black women or are even attracted to them in America. However, in the U.K. and SA more white men are attracted to black women and so that explains why marriage numbers are much higher between them. 

5. Correct! This is why they will complain about the latest black male celeb dating some latina, or white chick, but stay silent of black female celebs like Serena or Eve, or Tika Sumpter hooking up with white bois. And all this criticism towards black male celebs in spite of the fact that majority of black male celebs are married to black women. 

6. Lol, and their black queen miss Markle doesn't even consider herself to black, yet they go harder for her blackness than she does. But it has nothing to do with that, but who she married and how it reflects their wants and desires. 

7. This is the source of the problem ultimately, people with options don't complain, like Naomi Campbell's of the world. This is why black women who are happily married to black men don't complain, this is why black women that are 8's and above don't complain about black men. 

8. I don't know if I can agree with this, maybe the contrast between cultures is at play rather than the negative association with it.


I have to take issue with a couple of points here. My number order does not correspond to yours.

1) Most Black women in America who were born before 1980 will flatly refuse to date white men. The white man is, to them, the rapist and the oppressor. That cultural phenomenon may well be exclusive to the US, but it is absolutely true.

2) Many younger Black women simply can't relate to white men. They try dating them and find them to be either clueless or fake. It's not that they can't find a white man, it's that they can't find a white man they can live with.

3) You can't compare South Africa or the UK to the US. Our culture is entirely unique within the world, so comparisons between the two do not work. Biologically men will fuck whatever makes their dick hard. The obstacles to attraction are most often cultural. The few biological factors that do exist only affect a minority of extreme cases (very dark skin, for example, is shunned by men the world over while fair skin is universally favored). Most people's phenotypical attributes are in the middle, not at the extremes.

4) Black women have the deck stacked against them with regard to dating. They are expected to be difficult. And, to some extent, they are. Being a Black woman is tough and it hardens most of them. Culturally, we lionize the "strong" Black woman, but the reality is that most men want sweet, submissive partners no matter what they tell their SJW friends.

5) Black women do not enjoy positive fetishization the way Black men do. I don't care where you live in America. If you're tall, Black and muscular, white women are checking you out. Period. We are the Alpha Males of American society. Sports, music, and pop culture support the idea that while white men may be the ideal long term mate, it is the Black man that is the ideal sexual object. For Black women, white and Asian women are far more objectified. The good news is, Black women get taken more seriously. The bad news is, social gravitas does not make the dick hard. We respect Oprah, but most of us would rather fuck Tomi Lahren.

Interesting points, as you are an American, I'm going to argue you on much, because you obviously have more insight than me.

However, I don't agree that 1) black women pre-1980 'refused' to date/marry white men, I just don't think in pre-1980s America, that average black women had more bargaining power decide between white men. White men historically had way more power to decide who and who they could date/marry. Look at all the famous black women that were married to or dated white men prior to 1980 the likes of Maya Angelou, Angela Davis, Josephine Baker, Eartha Kitt, Diahann Caroll, Diana Ross, Lena Horne, Pearl Bailey, Donna Summer, Tina Turner, Roxie Roker (mother of Lenny Kravitz) etc. These famous black women were open to dating white men as I believe black women were/are but the majority of white men are not Hollywood and so the average white guy refused to date black women. This does not account for the countless times in the U.S. that white guys screwed (or raped) black women behind closed doors. 

2) I don't really understand this point.

And none of your other points debunk what I've said, they support that the face white guys have the bargaining power in relationships, it's not really up to black women, as I believe that most black women are open to dating white guys, but the reverse, whether for 'cultural', 'biological', 'sociological' or whatever reason, cannot be said for white guys. As far as America goes, white men are simply NOT lining up to date/marry black women.

Yeah, you clearly don't know many Black American women.

You calling out Donna Summer would get you laughed in your face. You literally named every exception to the rule. Women who fucked white to ADVANCE THEIR CAREERS. Look at how many of the women you named who married their lawyer/manager.

I get that UK Black women don't have the kind of militant pride that we do here. I get it. But you just don't understand the effect slavery and the civil rights movement had on Black women here. Speaking of Black women born before 1980, their hatred of white men is seething and borderline pathological. I can't tell you how many Boomer aged Black women in my lifetime have said they'd die alone before they dated a white man.

America isn't the UK, son.
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(11-03-2018, 08:04 AM)Theo Younf Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 06:51 AM)RasterRal Wrote: “Black women do not enjoy positive fetishization the way Black men do. I don't care where you live in America. If you're tall, Black and muscular, white women are checking you out. Period. We are the Alpha Males of American society. Sports, music, and pop culture support the idea that while white men may be the ideal long term mate, it is the Black man that is the ideal sexual object. For Black women, white and Asian women are far more objectified. The good news is, Black women get taken more seriously. The bad news is, social gravitas does not make the dick hard. We respect Oprah, but most of us would rather fuck Tomi Lahren.”

So true, can’t imagine fucking Oprah (yuck) but surely blonde hottie Tomi Lahren

You would be surprised, I've heard it several times from some brothers that they would fuck Oprah cause she's 'thick'.

Like me, Oprah was a definite milf. She wasn't a sex symbol but she had that next door neighbor shit going on and indeed she was thick. I don't buy it when men get "picky". Every man obviously wants the hottest but the overwhelming majority of men would fuck anything. Anytime you hear a man talk about preferences as if the mf is taking an oath, I'd suggest to leave that fragile ego alone. It ain't worth it.

Like Dave Chappelle said in his special, everyone likes to hear that story about fucking a fat one in private but as soon as it hits the airwaves, all of sudden, "omg", "men have standards" (for real, we do? haha). It's one of many hypocrisies in our society and everyone knows it. It doesn't take much to make a man fuck literally anything, men only care about themselves and their dicks. Only when society gets involved to prey on everyday insecure personalities, that's when the charade starts.

Personally, I don't like Oprah nor Tomi. Oprah always waits for the majority opinion to shift before she becomes vocal on something political and Tomi is just the latest racist. Tbh, I get why Tomi and everything but there is something generic about her. Obviously, I wouldn't pass but I would call her just about an 8, barely even. An 8 and above is where the attention starts but Tomi to me doesn't even have that X factor that makes you lose your shit. If she left TV, it wouldn't even cross my mind.
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