Are black men into IR porn or not?
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I would support Oprah or Michelle Obama but when it to comes to sexual preference I would fuck someone like a Scarlett Johansson or Kendra Sunderland
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(11-03-2018, 12:06 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 08:02 AM)Theo Younf Wrote: Interesting points, as you are an American, I'm going to argue you on much, because you obviously have more insight than me.

However, I don't agree that 1) black women pre-1980 'refused' to date/marry white men, I just don't think in pre-1980s America, that average black women had more bargaining power decide between white men. White men historically had way more power to decide who and who they could date/marry. Look at all the famous black women that were married to or dated white men prior to 1980 the likes of Maya Angelou, Angela Davis, Josephine Baker, Eartha Kitt, Diahann Caroll, Diana Ross, Lena Horne, Pearl Bailey, Donna Summer, Tina Turner, Roxie Roker (mother of Lenny Kravitz) etc. These famous black women were open to dating white men as I believe black women were/are but the majority of white men are not Hollywood and so the average white guy refused to date black women. This does not account for the countless times in the U.S. that white guys screwed (or raped) black women behind closed doors. 

2) I don't really understand this point.

And none of your other points debunk what I've said, they support that the face white guys have the bargaining power in relationships, it's not really up to black women, as I believe that most black women are open to dating white guys, but the reverse, whether for 'cultural', 'biological', 'sociological' or whatever reason, cannot be said for white guys. As far as America goes, white men are simply NOT lining up to date/marry black women.

Yeah, you clearly don't know many Black American women.

You calling out Donna Summer would get you laughed in your face. You literally named every exception to the rule. Women who fucked white to ADVANCE THEIR CAREERS. Look at how many of the women you named who married their lawyer/manager.

I get that UK Black women don't have the kind of militant pride that we do here. I get it. But you just don't understand the effect slavery and the civil rights movement had on Black women here. Speaking of Black women born before 1980, their hatred of white men is seething and borderline pathological. I can't tell you how many Boomer aged Black women in my lifetime have said they'd die alone before they dated a white man.

America isn't the UK, son.

I'm gonna lean more towards shotgun here.  A lot of the older black women I know pressure me to date black, and WILL occasionally make remarks about how they don't take white men too seriously. What I've noticed though, is that if they aren't connected to the church, a lot of black women who are doing well for themselves are more open to dating white men, although even then he can't be some milquetoast lame (unless they're desperate or the type of black woman we obviously aren't talking about). I'm not nosy enough to say that they prefer them either- black people in general are embarrassed to bring home a white person for Thanksgiving. I'm in my 20s though, so I'm getting used to some of stuff younger girls are saying in direct contradiction to what I heard growing up.
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Women are women. When confronted with a man who shows interest and has adequate resources, women are likely to say yes. As militant as black women in their 50s & 60s talk, very few actually turned down genuine advances of a white male. Black women were far more likely to be sexually harassed by a white guy than be asked on a date, so most of that talk was hypothetical. I don't believe black women have changed, the world has changed. White guys are more open to approaching a black woman, and with more blacks entering college campuses, white guys are more in contact with real world black women. As we see today, black women aren't afraid to say yes to a white guy.
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(11-06-2018, 12:03 PM)kcjones Wrote: Women are women.  When confronted with a man who shows interest and has adequate resources, women are likely to say yes.  As militant as black women in their 50s & 60s talk, very few actually turned down genuine advances of a white male.  Black women were far more likely to be sexually harassed by a white guy than be asked on a date, so most of that talk was hypothetical.  I don't believe black women have changed, the world has changed.  White guys are more open to approaching a black woman, and with more blacks entering college campuses, white guys are more in contact with real world black women.  As we see today, black women aren't afraid to say yes to a white guy.

Black women have changed BECAUSE the world has changed. And all you did was say what I said. White men dehumanized Black women and Black women hated them for it. Now that you have upstanding white men willing to date Black women because they're not in fear of their reputation, you see it more often.

The issue here is attraction. Are Black women as attracted to white men as they are to Black men? Absolutely not. Are white men inclined to attraction towards Black women? Not really. And this is what causes the schism, because white women may favor white men but only slightly. There will always be more white women who are sexually interested in Black men than white men who are into Black women. There will always be an imbalance and imbalances cause tension.

White men hate it. Black women hate it. Because both groups feel like their ideal mates are being "stolen". The "good Black men" are being taken by the white girls and the "good white girls" are being taken by the Black men. Go to any Black women's blog, or alt right/men's rights blog and you'll read endless posts and comments about this. Hollywood makes movies like Lakeview Terrace to pretend that Black men care when Black women date out, but the truth is: I can't remember the last time I heard a Black man complain about this. Why? Because a Brotha with even an ounce of game knows he has easy access to white women. There's no reason to be jealous.
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(11-06-2018, 12:28 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 12:03 PM)kcjones Wrote: Women are women.  When confronted with a man who shows interest and has adequate resources, women are likely to say yes.  As militant as black women in their 50s & 60s talk, very few actually turned down genuine advances of a white male.  Black women were far more likely to be sexually harassed by a white guy than be asked on a date, so most of that talk was hypothetical.  I don't believe black women have changed, the world has changed.  White guys are more open to approaching a black woman, and with more blacks entering college campuses, white guys are more in contact with real world black women.  As we see today, black women aren't afraid to say yes to a white guy.

Black women have changed BECAUSE the world has changed. And all you did was say what I said. White men dehumanized Black women and Black women hated them for it. Now that you have upstanding white men willing to date Black women because they're not in fear of their reputation, you see it more often.

The issue here is attraction. Are Black women as attracted to white men as they are to Black men? Absolutely not. Are white men inclined to attraction towards Black women? Not really. And this is what causes the schism, because white women may favor white men but only slightly. There will always be more white women who are sexually interested in Black men than white men who are into Black women. There will always be an imbalance and imbalances cause tension.

White men hate it. Black women hate it. Because both groups feel like their ideal mates are being "stolen". The "good Black men" are being taken by the white girls and the "good white girls" are being taken by the Black men. Go to any Black women's blog, or alt right/men's rights blog and you'll read endless posts and comments about this. Hollywood makes movies like Lakeview Terrace to pretend that Black men care when Black women date out, but the truth is: I can't remember the last time I heard a Black man complain about this. Why? Because a Brotha with even an ounce of game knows he has easy access to white women. There's no reason to be jealous.
True. But most of the time I see a black man with a white woman, she is not attractive, usually overweight, bad body, etc.  There are exceptions but I'd say for every black man I see dating a 7 white woman, I see about 19 dating 5s and below.  These women aren't just chubby, they straightout fat.
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(11-07-2018, 04:54 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 12:28 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 12:03 PM)kcjones Wrote: Women are women.  When confronted with a man who shows interest and has adequate resources, women are likely to say yes.  As militant as black women in their 50s & 60s talk, very few actually turned down genuine advances of a white male.  Black women were far more likely to be sexually harassed by a white guy than be asked on a date, so most of that talk was hypothetical.  I don't believe black women have changed, the world has changed.  White guys are more open to approaching a black woman, and with more blacks entering college campuses, white guys are more in contact with real world black women.  As we see today, black women aren't afraid to say yes to a white guy.

Black women have changed BECAUSE the world has changed. And all you did was say what I said. White men dehumanized Black women and Black women hated them for it. Now that you have upstanding white men willing to date Black women because they're not in fear of their reputation, you see it more often.

The issue here is attraction. Are Black women as attracted to white men as they are to Black men? Absolutely not. Are white men inclined to attraction towards Black women? Not really. And this is what causes the schism, because white women may favor white men but only slightly. There will always be more white women who are sexually interested in Black men than white men who are into Black women. There will always be an imbalance and imbalances cause tension.

White men hate it. Black women hate it. Because both groups feel like their ideal mates are being "stolen". The "good Black men" are being taken by the white girls and the "good white girls" are being taken by the Black men. Go to any Black women's blog, or alt right/men's rights blog and you'll read endless posts and comments about this. Hollywood makes movies like Lakeview Terrace to pretend that Black men care when Black women date out, but the truth is: I can't remember the last time I heard a Black man complain about this. Why? Because a Brotha with even an ounce of game knows he has easy access to white women. There's no reason to be jealous.
True. But most of the time I see a black man with a white woman, she is not attractive, usually overweight, bad body, etc.  There are exceptions but I'd say for every black man I see dating a 7 white woman, I see about 19 dating 5s and below.  These women aren't just chubby, they straightout fat.
^ This is so much.  I live in North East and And I've been along the eastern seaboard a ton over past 30 years - went college in VA as well.

 Anecdotally , every black man I see dating a white woman, they are generally quite unattractive to borderline hideous.


It is quite shocking to see a black man up here(in Northeast and along eastern seaboard) with an attractive white woman.   Normal non - famous Black Men generally do not get quality white woman, they may occasionally smash them behind closed doors  but no decent looking white chick will be seen dating even good looking brother with a decent to good job up here.  Just facts.

I mean we see dope white woman on tv with brothers but their rich , famous , athletes or movie stars or some combo of all of those.

Lets be real all the brothers the Kardashian date are famous/rich, if all of those same dudes were just regular living a normal life - those women wouldn't look twice at them.  Black dudes access to power and fame allows them to date dope chicks of most races and even then there is a large contingent of women who still wouldn't touch a brother!
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(11-04-2018, 10:46 AM)Spops53190 Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 12:06 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 08:02 AM)Theo Younf Wrote: Interesting points, as you are an American, I'm going to argue you on much, because you obviously have more insight than me.

However, I don't agree that 1) black women pre-1980 'refused' to date/marry white men, I just don't think in pre-1980s America, that average black women had more bargaining power decide between white men. White men historically had way more power to decide who and who they could date/marry. Look at all the famous black women that were married to or dated white men prior to 1980 the likes of Maya Angelou, Angela Davis, Josephine Baker, Eartha Kitt, Diahann Caroll, Diana Ross, Lena Horne, Pearl Bailey, Donna Summer, Tina Turner, Roxie Roker (mother of Lenny Kravitz) etc. These famous black women were open to dating white men as I believe black women were/are but the majority of white men are not Hollywood and so the average white guy refused to date black women. This does not account for the countless times in the U.S. that white guys screwed (or raped) black women behind closed doors. 

2) I don't really understand this point.

And none of your other points debunk what I've said, they support that the face white guys have the bargaining power in relationships, it's not really up to black women, as I believe that most black women are open to dating white guys, but the reverse, whether for 'cultural', 'biological', 'sociological' or whatever reason, cannot be said for white guys. As far as America goes, white men are simply NOT lining up to date/marry black women.

Yeah, you clearly don't know many Black American women.

You calling out Donna Summer would get you laughed in your face. You literally named every exception to the rule. Women who fucked white to ADVANCE THEIR CAREERS. Look at how many of the women you named who married their lawyer/manager.

I get that UK Black women don't have the kind of militant pride that we do here. I get it. But you just don't understand the effect slavery and the civil rights movement had on Black women here. Speaking of Black women born before 1980, their hatred of white men is seething and borderline pathological. I can't tell you how many Boomer aged Black women in my lifetime have said they'd die alone before they dated a white man.

America isn't the UK, son.

I'm gonna lean more towards shotgun here.  A lot of the older black women I know pressure me to date black, and WILL occasionally make remarks about how they don't take white men too seriously. What I've noticed though, is that if they aren't connected to the church, a lot of black women who are doing well for themselves are more open to dating white men, although even then he can't be some milquetoast lame (unless they're desperate or the type of black woman we obviously aren't talking about). I'm not nosy enough to say that they prefer them either- black people in general are embarrassed to bring home a white person for Thanksgiving. I'm in my 20s though, so I'm getting used to some of stuff younger girls are saying in direct contradiction to what I heard growing up.
Yeah the educated buppy types, the ones that sound like they are resident valley girls, like your Robin Givens, Kimberley Faulkner etc
(11-06-2018, 12:03 PM)kcjones Wrote: Women are women.  When confronted with a man who shows interest and has adequate resources, women are likely to say yes.  As militant as black women in their 50s & 60s talk, very few actually turned down genuine advances of a white male.  Black women were far more likely to be sexually harassed by a white guy than be asked on a date, so most of that talk was hypothetical.  I don't believe black women have changed, the world has changed.  White guys are more open to approaching a black woman, and with more blacks entering college campuses, white guys are more in contact with real world black women.  As we see today, black women aren't afraid to say yes to a white guy.

Riiiight! My point exactly, look at the Obama Daughters, both have been seen with white bois.
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(11-06-2018, 12:28 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 12:03 PM)kcjones Wrote: Women are women.  When confronted with a man who shows interest and has adequate resources, women are likely to say yes.  As militant as black women in their 50s & 60s talk, very few actually turned down genuine advances of a white male.  Black women were far more likely to be sexually harassed by a white guy than be asked on a date, so most of that talk was hypothetical.  I don't believe black women have changed, the world has changed.  White guys are more open to approaching a black woman, and with more blacks entering college campuses, white guys are more in contact with real world black women.  As we see today, black women aren't afraid to say yes to a white guy.

Black women have changed BECAUSE the world has changed. And all you did was say what I said. White men dehumanized Black women and Black women hated them for it. Now that you have upstanding white men willing to date Black women because they're not in fear of their reputation, you see it more often.

The issue here is attraction. Are Black women as attracted to white men as they are to Black men? Absolutely not. Are white men inclined to attraction towards Black women? Not really. And this is what causes the schism, because white women may favor white men but only slightly. There will always be more white women who are sexually interested in Black men than white men who are into Black women. There will always be an imbalance and imbalances cause tension.

White men hate it. Black women hate it. Because both groups feel like their ideal mates are being "stolen". The "good Black men" are being taken by the white girls and the "good white girls" are being taken by the Black men. Go to any Black women's blog, or alt right/men's rights blog and you'll read endless posts and comments about this. Hollywood makes movies like Lakeview Terrace to pretend that Black men care when Black women date out, but the truth is: I can't remember the last time I heard a Black man complain about this. Why? Because a Brotha with even an ounce of game knows he has easy access to white women. There's no reason to be jealous.

I think you mean the other way. 

Yeah, I've noticed this too, the things many of them say about bm/ww relationships, when anonymous, would have you think that they are two sides of the same bitter coin. 

That's the reason, the Loving vs. Virginia case was a success, had it been the other way round?? 
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(11-07-2018, 04:54 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 12:28 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 12:03 PM)kcjones Wrote: Women are women.  When confronted with a man who shows interest and has adequate resources, women are likely to say yes.  As militant as black women in their 50s & 60s talk, very few actually turned down genuine advances of a white male.  Black women were far more likely to be sexually harassed by a white guy than be asked on a date, so most of that talk was hypothetical.  I don't believe black women have changed, the world has changed.  White guys are more open to approaching a black woman, and with more blacks entering college campuses, white guys are more in contact with real world black women.  As we see today, black women aren't afraid to say yes to a white guy.

Black women have changed BECAUSE the world has changed. And all you did was say what I said. White men dehumanized Black women and Black women hated them for it. Now that you have upstanding white men willing to date Black women because they're not in fear of their reputation, you see it more often.

The issue here is attraction. Are Black women as attracted to white men as they are to Black men? Absolutely not. Are white men inclined to attraction towards Black women? Not really. And this is what causes the schism, because white women may favor white men but only slightly. There will always be more white women who are sexually interested in Black men than white men who are into Black women. There will always be an imbalance and imbalances cause tension.

White men hate it. Black women hate it. Because both groups feel like their ideal mates are being "stolen". The "good Black men" are being taken by the white girls and the "good white girls" are being taken by the Black men. Go to any Black women's blog, or alt right/men's rights blog and you'll read endless posts and comments about this. Hollywood makes movies like Lakeview Terrace to pretend that Black men care when Black women date out, but the truth is: I can't remember the last time I heard a Black man complain about this. Why? Because a Brotha with even an ounce of game knows he has easy access to white women. There's no reason to be jealous.
True. But most of the time I see a black man with a white woman, she is not attractive, usually overweight, bad body, etc.  There are exceptions but I'd say for every black man I see dating a 7 white woman, I see about 19 dating 5s and below.  These women aren't just chubby, they straightout fat.
Is it really that bad in the states for regular brothas? 

Here in the U.K. I just don't see that stereotype played out much, at least in London.
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(11-07-2018, 06:30 AM)Theo Younf Wrote:
(11-07-2018, 04:54 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 12:28 PM)Shotgun Styles Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 12:03 PM)kcjones Wrote: Women are women.  When confronted with a man who shows interest and has adequate resources, women are likely to say yes.  As militant as black women in their 50s & 60s talk, very few actually turned down genuine advances of a white male.  Black women were far more likely to be sexually harassed by a white guy than be asked on a date, so most of that talk was hypothetical.  I don't believe black women have changed, the world has changed.  White guys are more open to approaching a black woman, and with more blacks entering college campuses, white guys are more in contact with real world black women.  As we see today, black women aren't afraid to say yes to a white guy.

Black women have changed BECAUSE the world has changed. And all you did was say what I said. White men dehumanized Black women and Black women hated them for it. Now that you have upstanding white men willing to date Black women because they're not in fear of their reputation, you see it more often.

The issue here is attraction. Are Black women as attracted to white men as they are to Black men? Absolutely not. Are white men inclined to attraction towards Black women? Not really. And this is what causes the schism, because white women may favor white men but only slightly. There will always be more white women who are sexually interested in Black men than white men who are into Black women. There will always be an imbalance and imbalances cause tension.

White men hate it. Black women hate it. Because both groups feel like their ideal mates are being "stolen". The "good Black men" are being taken by the white girls and the "good white girls" are being taken by the Black men. Go to any Black women's blog, or alt right/men's rights blog and you'll read endless posts and comments about this. Hollywood makes movies like Lakeview Terrace to pretend that Black men care when Black women date out, but the truth is: I can't remember the last time I heard a Black man complain about this. Why? Because a Brotha with even an ounce of game knows he has easy access to white women. There's no reason to be jealous.
True. But most of the time I see a black man with a white woman, she is not attractive, usually overweight, bad body, etc.  There are exceptions but I'd say for every black man I see dating a 7 white woman, I see about 19 dating 5s and below.  These women aren't just chubby, they straightout fat.
Is it really that bad in the states for regular brothas? 

Here in the U.K. I just don't see that stereotype played out much, at least in London.

Yeah, it's bad over here. Never mind that a lot of those chubby 5s will be the 'white chocolate' type. Desirable black men can fuck some white women, especially if the setting they date or mess around in is more closed, but most attractive white women would never be too open or think about marriage/ a serious relationship. Of course there are a LOT of white women to black men so its not too grim... But the big issue is that white women here have too much to lose by being open about that because enough white men here will LEGIT lose all or most interest once they find out they've been touched by a black guy. I've had white guys basically open up to this around me, and they always say its not really racist but idk lol... So of course, less desirable WF are more open to it because they are already low on WM's list and higher on BM's lists.

Although now that white guys in general are opening up to thicker women, you still find more outliers than you'd think.
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