Why is (white) America so much more sympathetic
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To non-black Americans?

For instance, why do Native Indians get so much government handouts and blacks don't?

Why did Jews get reparations for their slavery in the Holocaust under Obama in 2015 in what was largely bipartisian bill but African Americans don't?

Why did Japanese descendants get their money for internment under Reagan but blacks internment survivors from well, half of the history of America don't?  Congress won't even give reparations to the few survivors of the Tulsa genocide.

Why do Syrian refugees who come from a country that largely hates America, get all kind of free government goodies and help and feel good media stories and non-profit help whereas no one cares if Black Americans drop dead?

Why do so many white Americans and white government including Obama bend over backwards to help illegal immigrants and pass daca, but nothing for blacks.

Why can "liberal" California pass a law making a gender quota for large corporate boards,  even though the supreme court ruled race based quotas illegal?  Where is the black race quota on boards?

Why can liberal democrats stretch their necks out for gay rights and transgender rights for a man in a dress to use a washroom with a girl, but you are a bad guy if you think blacks should be treated as bad as white native Indians?  Why don't the federal government treat black Americans like native indians, give them some free land, some free casinos, hundreds of millions of dollars, no taxes, free healthcare, free education?

Why do I see so many politicians talk about the veterans, and the vets, but if a homeless black vietnam vet or iraq war vet panhandle near their building they say "get away from my building you homeless bum".  How come they won't hire a black vet but claim how much they love the vets?

Why are black Americans such a pariah group in general American society and don't get any help from government in the way other groups do.  I genuinely do not understand why this occurs?
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Because the American black community is a self-destructive mess. The crabs in the barrel mentality is just one part of it.
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White people still don't wanna admit they did black people wrong... even when they admit they did us wrong. Literally all those other groups were wronged by white people, mostly white men, but the effects aren't as devastating now- easy to say we're sorry, but you're good now. Black people though... To thoroughly serial kill, enslave, rape, breed, and wipe out many of the cultures of a whole race of people across half the world (even in their own countries no less)... There is no sorry. The Jews don't have to reach out to Nazis right? I think that's why you find so many white dudes that are IR cucks tbh. Some kind of fucked redemption.

But like vesuvius pointed out, black people add to it by fucking with themselves. And white people use that as a cop out. Ignoring that those black people are probably doing so not only because they're born into lpoverty, but the gov't/society continues to fuck with them on every level. Thugs bothering you? Can't trust the cops. Sick? Doctors gonna take all your money 1st, then maybe they'll help you in time. School? Ugh, just look at some of the schools in Detroit today. And then, you find out they're inhaling lead from the walls, and drinking it the water/bathing in it- shit literally makes niggas feral.

If we want change we're gonna have to do it ourselves, or wait. Honestly, it's not as bad though, there HAS been progress, and with a little luck and careful navigation you can still be successful. It's not all doom and gloom on the individual level if you have the resources.
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(11-14-2018, 09:23 PM)vesuvius Wrote: Because the American black community is a self-destructive mess. The crabs in the barrel mentality is just one part of it.

Lets say I just accept this blindly.  How does it explain the lack of empathy for African Americans?  Are they THAT much more self destructive than Islamic State in Syria and Iraq? Are they more destructive than native american communities which have higher rates of self destructive behaviours generally?  More self destructive than central Americans who have the highest rate of murder on planet earth?
How specifically is african american a mess or so much more and worse of a mess than all the other groups?

Which crabs, what barrel?
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(11-14-2018, 10:12 PM)Spops53190 Wrote: White people still don't wanna admit they did black people wrong... even when they admit they did us wrong. Literally all those other groups were wronged by white people, mostly white men, but the effects aren't as devastating now- easy to say we're sorry, but you're good now. Black people though... To thoroughly serial kill, enslave, rape, breed, and wipe out many of the cultures of a whole race of people across half the world (even in their own countries no less)... There is no sorry. The Jews don't have to reach out to Nazis right? I think that's why you find so many white dudes that are IR cucks tbh. Some kind of fucked redemption.

But like vesuvius pointed out, black people add to it by fucking with themselves. And white people use that as a cop out. Ignoring that those black people are probably doing so not only because they're born into lpoverty, but the gov't/society continues to fuck with them on every level. Thugs bothering you? Can't trust the cops. Sick? Doctors gonna take all your money 1st, then maybe they'll help you in time. School? Ugh, just look at some of the schools in Detroit today. And then, you find out they're inhaling lead from the walls, and drinking it the water/bathing in it- shit literally makes niggas feral.

If we want change we're gonna have to do it ourselves, or wait. Honestly, it's not as bad though, there HAS been progress, and with a little luck and careful navigation you can still be successful. It's not all doom and gloom on the individual level if you have the resources.
1. Why don't they want to admit they did blacks wrong and do anything to correct it, why can they admit it for every other group?  I mean yeah you have some holocaust deniers but most Germans don't view it as a wrong to pay Israel reparations, hell America gave jews reparations in 2015 and it was not controversial.
2. Ok, lets accept it as fact black people fuck with themselves, whatever that encompasses, how does that lead to whites not having any empathy to their situation but to all these other groups from Syria where they literally behind people with ISIS to Native Indians who have just as if not substantially more self destructive fucked up behavior?
3. I've looked at much of the data, there really hasn't been much progress when I looked at the indicators.  In fact, the data seems to indicate it is particularly doomy and gloomy for "successful blacks" on the individual level because they are coming from broken communities and end up going broke down to zero after having to be the replacement for a reparations check for their extended family.  Making $100,000 a year seems like roads to riches, this is true if you come from a community who government has built up and handed out resources too.  But it really is not when you come from a community broken by government because then you essentially become government and have to fill in where they didn't give you your fair share.  Ie. lead in your water, ok, just buy bottled, but you gonna let your little nehpew and niece drink lead water? No, so now you gotta buy it for them too because you come from a broken community broken by government.  Whereas your white colleague will likely be getting an inheritance from his parents and grandparents, you are inheriting a funeral bill because sharecroppers didn't get much.
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(11-15-2018, 04:09 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(11-14-2018, 09:23 PM)vesuvius Wrote: Because the American black community is a self-destructive mess. The crabs in the barrel mentality is just one part of it.

Lets say I just accept this blindly.  How does it explain the lack of empathy for African Americans?  Are they THAT much more self destructive than Islamic State in Syria and Iraq? Are they more destructive than native american communities which have higher rates of self destructive behaviours generally?  More self destructive than central Americans who have the highest rate of murder on planet earth?
How specifically is african american a mess or so much more and worse of a mess than all the other groups?

Which crabs, what barrel?

You already shoot yourself in the foot by bringing up communities outside of the US. Naturally white Americans aren't gonna give them as much attention as they're pretty far away.

By crabs in the barrel I mean the tendency of community to resent or tear down people who don't fit their mold of what a person should be and/or tear somebody down for being succesful. If a black guy in (especially the American) black community speaks, dresses or acts a certain way, often times he is not considered black. For instance, by your standards I would be a liberal, but I find it ridiculous how a black Republican is automatically thought to be a race traitor without first asking why that guy is Republican. Listen to other kinds of music? Not black. Work in a certain field? Not black.

White America probably looks at those things wondering "what's the big fucking deal, why do you care so much if somebody else thinks a little different from the norm?". They don't really care what happens to the white community, they mostly just care about their own lives.

Now it's true that they barely acknowledge what they did to the black community and that is quite cowardly, but the black community is not doing itself any favours here. It's true that white America has to take blame for certain things, but the black community does pretty much nothing to save itself.
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(11-15-2018, 04:19 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(11-14-2018, 10:12 PM)Spops53190 Wrote: White people still don't wanna admit they did black people wrong... even when they admit they did us wrong. Literally all those other groups were wronged by white people, mostly white men, but the effects aren't as devastating now- easy to say we're sorry, but you're good now. Black people though... To thoroughly serial kill, enslave, rape, breed, and wipe out many of the cultures of a whole race of people across half the world (even in their own countries no less)... There is no sorry. The Jews don't have to reach out to Nazis right? I think that's why you find so many white dudes that are IR cucks tbh. Some kind of fucked redemption.

But like vesuvius pointed out, black people add to it by fucking with themselves. And white people use that as a cop out. Ignoring that those black people are probably doing so not only because they're born into lpoverty, but the gov't/society continues to fuck with them on every level. Thugs bothering you? Can't trust the cops. Sick? Doctors gonna take all your money 1st, then maybe they'll help you in time. School? Ugh, just look at some of the schools in Detroit today. And then, you find out they're inhaling lead from the walls, and drinking it the water/bathing in it- shit literally makes niggas feral.

If we want change we're gonna have to do it ourselves, or wait. Honestly, it's not as bad though, there HAS been progress, and with a little luck and careful navigation you can still be successful. It's not all doom and gloom on the individual level if you have the resources.
1. Why don't they want to admit they did blacks wrong and do anything to correct it, why can they admit it for every other group?  I mean yeah you have some holocaust deniers but most Germans don't view it as a wrong to pay Israel reparations, hell America gave jews reparations in 2015 and it was not controversial.
2. Ok, lets accept it as fact black people fuck with themselves, whatever that encompasses, how does that lead to whites not having any empathy to their situation but to all these other groups from Syria where they literally behind people with ISIS to Native Indians who have just as if not substantially more self destructive fucked up behavior?
3. I've looked at much of the data, there really hasn't been much progress when I looked at the indicators.  In fact, the data seems to indicate it is particularly doomy and gloomy for "successful blacks" on the individual level because they are coming from broken communities and end up going broke down to zero after having to be the replacement for a reparations check for their extended family.  Making $100,000 a year seems like roads to riches, this is true if you come from a community who government has built up and handed out resources too.  But it really is not when you come from a community broken by government because then you essentially become government and have to fill in where they didn't give you your fair share.  Ie. lead in your water, ok, just buy bottled, but you gonna let your little nehpew and niece drink lead water? No, so now you gotta buy it for them too because you come from a broken community broken by government.  Whereas your white colleague will likely be getting an inheritance from his parents and grandparents, you are inheriting a funeral bill because sharecroppers didn't get much.

I've personally been affected by your 3rd point, before I really even got off my feet. Same thing happened with my grandfather and one of my uncles. But a lot of muslim/arab, latinos, and asians do something similar without fucking over the benefactor.  Yet, all those other groups weren't historically stripped of their culture, crippled by society, and divided and pit against each other to the extent black people were, so while on the individual level black people hurt black people, the bigger picture is that the average black person doesn't really have the faculties/wherewithal to return the favor. And then people are stingy with their kids. 

It really leads into this:
(11-15-2018, 06:20 AM)vesuvius Wrote:
(11-15-2018, 04:09 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(11-14-2018, 09:23 PM)vesuvius Wrote: Because the American black community is a self-destructive mess. The crabs in the barrel mentality is just one part of it.

Lets say I just accept this blindly.  How does it explain the lack of empathy for African Americans?  Are they THAT much more self destructive than Islamic State in Syria and Iraq? Are they more destructive than native american communities which have higher rates of self destructive behaviours generally?  More self destructive than central Americans who have the highest rate of murder on planet earth?
How specifically is african american a mess or so much more and worse of a mess than all the other groups?

Which crabs, what barrel?

You already shoot yourself in the foot by bringing up communities outside of the US. Naturally white Americans aren't gonna give them as much attention as they're pretty far away.

By crabs in the barrel I mean the tendency of community to resent or tear down people who don't fit their mold of what a person should be and/or tear somebody down for being succesful. If a black guy in (especially the American) black community speaks, dresses or acts a certain way, often times he is not considered black. For instance, by your standards I would be a liberal, but I find it ridiculous how a black Republican is automatically thought to be a race traitor without first asking why that guy is Republican. Listen to other kinds of music? Not black. Work in a certain field? Not black.

White America probably looks at those things wondering "what's the big fucking deal, why do you care so much if somebody else thinks a little different from the norm?". They don't really care what happens to the white community, they mostly just care about their own lives.

Now it's true that they barely acknowledge what they did to the black community and that is quite cowardly, but the black community is not doing itself any favours here. It's true that white America has to take blame for certain things, but the black community does pretty much nothing to save itself.

Right, you speak in full sentences and people wanna call you an oreo or ridicule you for not being "black enough"- we're not even talking about SOUNDING white yet. Black people literally relate intelligence with being white, or, at the very least, not black. Then, like ipay4 pointed out, they'll ask those same people for handouts and bleed them dry. And if their helper says enough is enough and walks away before then, they become the sellouts or selfish- all the things people 'predicted' and joked about before.

I like to look at it from the bigger picture though. If you put any race in this same predicament you'd get the same lack of results. Black people need to do shit for themselves, but how can MOST of them do so when they're caught in a disadvantageous cycle/system with few means to stray from that path. I wouldn't put this on the average black person, there NEEDS to be a stronger government response as well, in tandem with efforts from the black community. Psychologically, physiologically, and economically, its highly improbable black people will all just "pull themselves up by the bootstraps", yet black people are gonna have to do the improbable-AGAIN. But it's also the government's job to increase those odds, especially since the government and white people in general lowered them in the 1st place.
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I fully agree tht government help can really improve the community and that the pull themselves up by the bootstraps stuff is crap. What im saying is, when you get a boon, use it to improve your life, don't use it to further wreck it and unfortunately that is not something the government can instill, that is something that individuals have to decide for themselves.
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(11-15-2018, 06:20 AM)vesuvius Wrote:
(11-15-2018, 04:09 AM)Ipay4 Wrote:
(11-14-2018, 09:23 PM)vesuvius Wrote: Because the American black community is a self-destructive mess. The crabs in the barrel mentality is just one part of it.

Lets say I just accept this blindly.  How does it explain the lack of empathy for African Americans?  Are they THAT much more self destructive than Islamic State in Syria and Iraq? Are they more destructive than native american communities which have higher rates of self destructive behaviours generally?  More self destructive than central Americans who have the highest rate of murder on planet earth?
How specifically is african american a mess or so much more and worse of a mess than all the other groups?

Which crabs, what barrel?

You already shoot yourself in the foot by bringing up communities outside of the US. Naturally white Americans aren't gonna give them as much attention as they're pretty far away.

By crabs in the barrel I mean the tendency of community to resent or tear down people who don't fit their mold of what a person should be and/or tear somebody down for being succesful. If a black guy in (especially the American) black community speaks, dresses or acts a certain way, often times he is not considered black. For instance, by your standards I would be a liberal, but I find it ridiculous how a black Republican is automatically thought to be a race traitor without first asking why that guy is Republican. Listen to other kinds of music? Not black. Work in a certain field? Not black.

White America probably looks at those things wondering "what's the big fucking deal, why do you care so much if somebody else thinks a little different from the norm?". They don't really care what happens to the white community, they mostly just care about their own lives.

Now it's true that they barely acknowledge what they did to the black community and that is quite cowardly, but the black community is not doing itself any favours here. It's true that white America has to take blame for certain things, but the black community does pretty much nothing to save itself.
I don't see how I shoot myself in the foot by bringing up communities outside the US when it is the entire discussion.  White Americans are giving Syrians refugee status based off of ISIS.

So white people lack sympathy for black Americans because some black Americans view Republican blacks as traitors?  Please do explain this to me.  And can you now explain to me why there wasn't sympathy for blacks when most blacks were republicans?

So what are all these other communities doing to save themselves that black Americans are not?
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I believe that white America has considerable guilt when confronted with the injustices heaped upon the black community over the past two centuries, it's a sore subject. This compels the racist majority to either deny the oppression, marginalize the struggle or stick their proverbial heads in the sand like an ostrich. Thankfully the numbers of the old "jim crow" mentality are shrinking as their generation is dying off. It's still a sore subject for a multitude but society is becoming aware and steadily moving toward a level of equanimity for all peoples. I remain hopeful for the future.
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