How has "Blacked.com" influenced mainstream TV programming's acceptance of IR sex?
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(12-05-2018, 08:54 PM)whiteisright4bbc Wrote:
(12-05-2018, 04:58 PM)Spops53190 Wrote:
(12-05-2018, 03:54 PM)bakajin Wrote: featured WM/
(12-05-2018, 02:33 PM)whiteisright4bbc Wrote:
(12-05-2018, 02:14 PM)bakajin Wrote: LOL. Neither Blacked nor porn has anything to do with "mainstream" acceptance of IR depictions in mainstream entertainment. Porn has always been trailing the larger society vis-a-vis IR. In the 80s, you only had a handful of Black male performers but they generally worked with everyone until Vivid and their attempt to take porn "mainstream."

I'd give 90s institutions like MTV much more credit than I would porn. They put "threatening" Black male figures into the living rooms of middle America every day. White parents couldn't control it. Those 80s and 90s kids are now making decisions in network television. They were doing "color blind" casting in the late 90s, so they'd kind of drop in a Black male or Black female character into these shows with the option for a relationship to develop between characters but they rarely bothered to address racial issues.

I don't watch a lot of TV shows so after taking a look at IR relationships in TV for a project I worked on, I was surprised, I'd missed a lot since Ally McBeal. It's kind of odd that now some shows are actually making race a topic when these relationships appear -- even if only tangentally. I think it is because of the current "woke" political climate. But prior to 2014, there were a substantial number of IR couples in the 00s.

There are more venues for shows now with streaming so 1) more opportunities for IR relationships to appear 2) less money on the line because of Netflix, Amazon and Hulu bankrolling these shows with near unlimited resources, so less reason to be risk averse 3) showrunners are much younger 4) diversity is a good promotion point for streaming broadcasts

Also, OP left a couple of big ones off the list, Jessica Jones, The Walking Dead shows and Castle Rock.

I agree with a lot of your post, like your points in the last paragraph, but since you mentioned The Walking Dead, my suspicions were correct when I was reading it and you clearly are diluting and muddying the waters when you include WM IR and non-BM IR. BM/WF IR has always been the big elephant in the room. White males have always been the ones who dominate this country, so acting like they would be against having IR relationships pertaining to them and other women is bizarre to me. I believe there was a thread here talking about Zoe Saldana and Avatar, Star Trek, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. But then you see the new Star Wars movies and there was a big uproar.

Erh, The Walking Dead has featured BM/WF, BM/LF couples, so not sure what you mean. They have had a tendency to kill off one of the pair as soon as they hook up, though, lol.

As I was going through my thoughts, I considered all the shows that had WM/BF couples. There were a good number in the 00s, most of the women were mixed and most of the shows were sci-fi. I purposely left those shows out. I wasn't thinking of those shows. Anything featuring Taye Diggs (who was on TV a lot between mid-90s and now), well, you're going to have an IR couple up in there, LOL.

I think I may have commented in the thread you're talking about, but if not, I'll make this point: These shows are run by WM mostly. WM make the casting decisions. They approve or not. Not surprising that many WM/Mixed female couples appeared. They cast whom they are attracted to, even though they may so do under the cover of "color blind" casting.

Pfft, BM/OF couples get REKT in Walking Dead.  Usually shows just kill off the BM, sometimes the female, but Walking Dead EVISCERATES both of them most of the time.  

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It was such an affront to nature itself to even suggest Noah and Beth might become a thing, they had to kill off Beth in a super senseless way, then kill off Noah in one of the most gruesome ways possible just for good measure. 

Yeah, his Walking Dead reference was crazy. They even wrote some of the BM/WF pairings in the comics out of the show like WARNING: Spoilers ahead! Tyrese and Carol or Heath and Denise. Hell, they even wrote out the few BM/BF pairings out of the show that were in the comics like Tyrese and Michonne or Morgan and Michonne in favor of BF/WM ones that weren't even in the damn comic like Rick and Michonne or Abraham and Sasha. Don't even get me started on the spinoff and how they killed off the only BM/WF couple within the first few episodes while simultaneously killing off almost all of the BM in general you saw every episode and then turn around and make the only cool, non-killed off BM ghey af. Add to that the fact they instantly MERKED the only BM/OF (Native American, btw, not Latina) on the original series in literally the first, what was it? 1-2 episodes of that season where you find out they hooked up, and yeah, I'd say The Walking Dead is about as poor of an example as one can give for BM IR couples in tv/mainstream media.

Given the circumstanced in the story, "Hysterical coupling" was rampant in The Walking Dead comic, and IR relationships were just as common as same race relationships.  While the show did edit out a lot of the sex in the comics, they made a strong effort to write out the IR sex.  

I feel like Blacked.com is the new face of Porn.
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(12-05-2018, 09:01 PM)kcjones Wrote: I feel like Blacked.com is the new face of Porn.

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Okay, y'all mad about the TV writers making changes from the Walking Dead comics (and sometimes they should have) but that's feelings, I'm talking facts.
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^ Those are facts they made those changes and those changes were based on feelings. And looking at the comics and the changes they made, I would only be able to assume by "should" you mean you are in favor of rewriting things so that they offend as few people as possible because that's what the brunt of the changes were designed to do.
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(12-06-2018, 09:05 AM)whiteisright4bbc Wrote: ^ Those are facts they made those changes and those changes were based on feelings. And looking at the comics and the changes they made, I would only be able to assume by "should" you mean you are in favor of rewriting things so that they offend as few people as possible because that's what the brunt of the changes were designed to do.

Ah, okay, so you're assuming their intentions as well as mine. I see. There's no rule about shows having to adhere to source material line for line, plot for plot. The first few TWD seasons differed wildly from the comics. I wasn't a huge fan of Frank Darabont's run, but he did make efforts to tackle race head on in the first season (Darryl's brother being a racist, the first group they found protecting the nursing home, etc). He did more than any of the subsequent showrunners, who basically ignored race despite introducing several POC. Some speculative fiction creatives seem to be of the opinion that the things that divide us now are just going to fall away when some major event occurs.

And Kirkman's original portrayal of Michonne, inadvertently causing Carol's suicide and basically being a hoe, was pretty retro. The TV Michonne is a better character. So is Carol.

The producers didn't say much about the Tyreese/T-Dogg issue early on. The only clues are Chad Coleman saying Kirkman told him that he had been looking to cast him as Tyreese for a year, so that was when they were still in season 2.
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(12-06-2018, 10:38 AM)bakajin Wrote:
(12-06-2018, 09:05 AM)whiteisright4bbc Wrote: ^ Those are facts they made those changes and those changes were based on feelings. And looking at the comics and the changes they made, I would only be able to assume by "should" you mean you are in favor of rewriting things so that they offend as few people as possible because that's what the brunt of the changes were designed to do.

Ah, okay, so you're assuming their intentions as well as mine. I see. There's no rule about shows having to adhere to source material line for line, plot for plot. The first few TWD seasons differed wildly from the comics. I wasn't a huge fan of Frank Darabont's run, but he did make efforts to tackle race head on in the first season (Darryl's brother being a racist, the first group they found protecting the nursing home, etc). He did more than any of the subsequent showrunners, who basically ignored race despite introducing several POC. Some speculative fiction creatives seem to be of the opinion that the things that divide us now are just going to fall away when some major event occurs.

And Kirkman's original portrayal of Michonne, inadvertently causing Carol's suicide and basically being a hoe, was pretty retro. The TV Michonne is a better character. So is Carol.

The producers didn't say much about the Tyreese/T-Dogg issue early on. The only clues are Chad Coleman saying Kirkman told him that he had been looking to cast him as Tyreese for a year, so that was when they were still in season 2.
I thought the first two seasons' handling of race were cheesy.  A lot of racism would fall by the wayside after a apocalyptic event.  But there will be people whose racism will only fuel them.  Negan should have been a former Klan member trying to resurrect the KKKK.  He would have been a better and more unique villain, and a post apocalyptic KKK would make a much better story, as characters like Darryl could feel conflicted.  TV show Carol was no different than T-Dogg.  Once they fired the Andrea actress, they were forced to morph Carols character into the Andrea role.
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(12-06-2018, 10:38 AM)bakajin Wrote:
(12-06-2018, 09:05 AM)whiteisright4bbc Wrote: ^ Those are facts they made those changes and those changes were based on feelings. And looking at the comics and the changes they made, I would only be able to assume by "should" you mean you are in favor of rewriting things so that they offend as few people as possible because that's what the brunt of the changes were designed to do.

Ah, okay, so you're assuming their intentions as well as mine. I see. There's no rule about shows having to adhere to source material line for line, plot for plot. The first few TWD seasons differed wildly from the comics. I wasn't a huge fan of Frank Darabont's run, but he did make efforts to tackle race head on in the first season (Darryl's brother being a racist, the first group they found protecting the nursing home, etc). He did more than any of the subsequent showrunners, who basically ignored race despite introducing several POC. Some speculative fiction creatives seem to be of the opinion that the things that divide us now are just going to fall away when some major event occurs.

And Kirkman's original portrayal of Michonne, inadvertently causing Carol's suicide and basically being a hoe, was pretty retro. The TV Michonne is a better character. So is Carol.

The producers didn't say much about the Tyreese/T-Dogg issue early on. The only clues are Chad Coleman saying Kirkman told him that he had been looking to cast him as Tyreese for a year, so that was when they were still in season 2.

You really think Carol killed herself because of what Michonne did? What about Tyrese? He gets no blame? Even still, I wouldn't put blame on either, but more on her own weakness (or should I say the weakness of Kirkman's writing). But I agree, Kirkman has had lots of poor writing and that instance was one of them (Michonne just basically being an unashamed hoe, uncaring of whether the men she targeted were in relationships or not). I do like the tv Michonne better than the comic one by far (not particularly fond of comic Michonne, or a lot of characters who are loved in the show like Glenn, Maggie, etc).

Carol, I would say, is more of a mixed bag for me. In the comics, she never really takes off. In the show, she starts off weak like in the comics, but then randomly morphs into a Rambo type character, which is pretty unrealistic, IMO. I know they tried to make her character (and Sasha's to a degree) replace comic Andrea, but they went a little too over the top with it (partly because they nerfed down some of the other characters like Michonne, Rick, Carl, etc and someone had to do some of the crazy shit they did in the comics, so why not female Rambo over here).

How are Tyrese and T-Dogg related other than that they are both Black? The shows' writers made T-Dogg a pretty useless character and made Tyrese a complete pussy unlike in the comic. Both very unsatisfying characters overall.
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Well not to derail my own thread lol . . . but I suspect that a number of TV execs have premium memberships to sites like Blacked and Blacked RAW which they may hide or even share with their wives at home. They have witnessed the blockbuster commercial success of it and are more open to financing shows with an IR focus. Like twenty years ago or even ten years ago we could barely get ANY IR focused shows on the air remember?? Dixon on 90210 was only allowed to enjoy ONE piece of high school white girl pussy in THREE years at 90210 . . . that was all the powers that be could tolerate in 2008. In 2006, "Friday Night Lights" teased the IR community with Smash the stud Black tailback of the #1 ranked Dillion Tigers ~ https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjbv8WDhIzfAhXo4IMKHWykCyoQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fvelodromodimontichiari.com%2Ffriday-night-lights-tyra-college-essay-video&psig=AOvVaw1pFj4rZ501W-97c88B2e97&ust=1544214122585999.

Smash NEVER got to hit this tall Blonde Tyra or anyone else on this hit series becuase the TV executive on NBC would not finance such IR lust (SMDH).

Now on "Legacies" which airs tonight on the CW at 9:00 we will witness numerous beautiful white girls who have the consent of the corporate executives to let their freak flags fly and take long, thick black dick right there on the prep school campus lol. Times they are a changing I say and for the better: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjrqa2GhYzfAhVTqoMKHYchBt0QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mnnofa.com%2F2018%2F12%2F06%2Flegacies-star-on-josies-romances-and-love-triangle-with-rafael-and-lizzie%2F&psig=AOvVaw1apeGVOefvUdzWsxsIfoGe&ust=1544214377574707.

If we don't express our support for these IR-focused shows then I feel that the powers that be the powers that financed "The Innocents" on Netflix or "Sacred Lies" on Facebook Watch will just go back to the old tried and true . . . cast a "Chad" or a "Wells" to be the male paramour rather than a Black male Sad
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You're reaching. Blacked has reshaped PORN but its influence on real life is negligible. Lansky copies his style from mainstream, not the other way around. Youre giving that site way too much credit.
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I don't think Blacked is responsible, I think in general this whole "golden age of TV" is a recent thing. Shows like The Sopranos or The Wire helped kickstart the whole golden age, back in the day only HBO was doing was very risky and bold shit, nowadays everyone does what they did. That includes IR stuff.

"In the five years between 2011 and 2016, the number of scripted television shows, on broadcast, cable and digital platforms increased by 71%. In 2002, 182 television shows aired, while 2016 saw 455 original scripted television shows with an additional increase projected for 2017"

It's not just BMWF. every sorts of ir couples get represented. Don't even get me started on LGBTQ+ crowd. TV nowadays is just not afraid to show anything. Blacked, and every porn studio is definetaly happy what's going on in TV right now.
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