How has "Blacked.com" influenced mainstream TV programming's acceptance of IR sex?
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(12-06-2018, 12:31 PM)whiteisright4bbc Wrote:
(12-06-2018, 10:38 AM)bakajin Wrote:
(12-06-2018, 09:05 AM)whiteisright4bbc Wrote: ^ Those are facts they made those changes and those changes were based on feelings. And looking at the comics and the changes they made, I would only be able to assume by "should" you mean you are in favor of rewriting things so that they offend as few people as possible because that's what the brunt of the changes were designed to do.

Ah, okay, so you're assuming their intentions as well as mine. I see. There's no rule about shows having to adhere to source material line for line, plot for plot. The first few TWD seasons differed wildly from the comics. I wasn't a huge fan of Frank Darabont's run, but he did make efforts to tackle race head on in the first season (Darryl's brother being a racist, the first group they found protecting the nursing home, etc). He did more than any of the subsequent showrunners, who basically ignored race despite introducing several POC. Some speculative fiction creatives seem to be of the opinion that the things that divide us now are just going to fall away when some major event occurs.

And Kirkman's original portrayal of Michonne, inadvertently causing Carol's suicide and basically being a hoe, was pretty retro. The TV Michonne is a better character. So is Carol.

The producers didn't say much about the Tyreese/T-Dogg issue early on. The only clues are Chad Coleman saying Kirkman told him that he had been looking to cast him as Tyreese for a year, so that was when they were still in season 2.

You really think Carol killed herself because of what Michonne did? What about Tyrese? He gets no blame? Even still, I wouldn't put blame on either, but more on her own weakness (or should I say the weakness of Kirkman's writing). But I agree, Kirkman has had lots of poor writing and that instance was one of them (Michonne just basically being an unashamed hoe, uncaring of whether the men she targeted were in relationships or not). I do like the tv Michonne better than the comic one by far (not particularly fond of comic Michonne, or a lot of characters who are loved in the show like Glenn, Maggie, etc).

Carol, I would say, is more of a mixed bag for me. In the comics, she never really takes off. In the show, she starts off weak like in the comics, but then randomly morphs into a Rambo type character, which is pretty unrealistic, IMO. I know they tried to make her character (and Sasha's to a degree) replace comic Andrea, but they went a little too over the top with it (partly because they nerfed down some of the other characters like Michonne, Rick, Carl, etc and someone had to do some of the crazy shit they did in the comics, so why not female Rambo over here).

How are Tyrese and T-Dogg related other than that they are both Black? The shows' writers made T-Dogg a pretty useless character and made Tyrese a complete pussy unlike in the comic. Both very unsatisfying characters overall.

If you recall, there was a lot of chatter in the first season regarding whether "T-Dogg" was supposed to be Tyreese, or was supposed to supplant Tyreese. Fans of the book were asking but the producers weren't talking until near the end of the season when they finally came out and said his name was "Theodore." I got the feeling -- as did some others -- that T-Dogg was just a placeholder for "the black guy" until they found an actor for Tyreese.

Neither Tyreese nor Michonne gets "blamed" as they were only characters doing the bidding of the writer. Kirkman gets the blame for making this alleged attorney act like his fantasy of a Strong Black Woman™ and for making the previously virtuous Tyreese just drop his morals because he was about to get lid. It was bad writing, especially given the preexisting stereotypes. For me, TV Michonne is not much better (because she never, ever talks, acts or thinks like a lawyer) but at least she's got more depth. But look at whose playing her . . . that's probably where the depth comes from.

Carol is really a never-was in the comics who gained life in the show through being gifted a good storyline. They had Ed beat her just so Shane could show his character by beating the crap out of Ed. Comic book Carol's husband was already dead. So then, they didn't "make" her a Rambo, the two characters are completely different. Trying to draw in viewers, female viewers, giving the "weak" character an arc is one good way.
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To go back to the subject of this thread, yes blacked had a significant impact on the porn industry, it made IR more mainstream and not a niche like before. However is a gross exageration to consider it is breaking taciak bareers in media and real life. The BM characters are generally stereotypes (rappers, sportsmen etc...) and get the girls becuase they are cheating on their boyfriends or husbands. If it was a healthy, sincere and spontaneous attraction, there wouldn't be any taboo or thrill I guess.
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Yeah hate to break the circlejerk praise for Blacked but you guys are overrating Blacked influence on mainstream media. It has influenced porn by among other things eliminating a reason for dodging since one excuse use to be women saying they hate how IR is shot but mainstream media was having an independent movement unrelated to porn. There was a hashtag meme #OscarsSoWhite a few years back that is probably what kicked off the industry realizing there should be more black roles that don't involve slavery or segregation. Black Panther is probably the culmination of this movement showing a mainly black cast film can make a lot of money. But with more Black characters being featured means more chances for relationships with non black characters.

It is a bit early but Asians might be having their own breakthrough right now thanks to the success of the film Crazy Rich Asians. It is starting to lead to questions about why diversity always mean black/latino it can also mean more Asian roles too. Which looking at porn it looks like the same arguments they are posing could be made. Don't there there are many active Asian men in US porn.
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(12-11-2018, 05:42 PM)jeff2 Wrote: Yeah hate to break the circlejerk praise for Blacked but you guys are overrating Blacked influence on mainstream media. It has influenced porn by among other things eliminating a reason for dodging since one excuse use to be women saying they hate how IR is shot but mainstream media was having an independent movement unrelated to porn. There was a hashtag meme #OscarsSoWhite a few years back that is probably what kicked off the industry realizing there should be more black roles that don't involve slavery or segregation. Black Panther is probably the culmination of this movement showing a mainly black cast film can make a lot of money. But with more Black characters being featured means more chances for relationships with non black characters.

It is a bit early but Asians might be having their own breakthrough right now thanks to the success of the film Crazy Rich Asians. It is starting to lead to questions about why diversity always mean black/latino it can also mean more Asian roles too. Which looking at porn it looks like the same arguments they are posing could be made. Don't there there are many active Asian men in US porn.
I wouldn't call it a circlejerk. There isn't a single poster in this thread that has co-signed the OP's laughablely ridiculous theory.
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