IR pornstar before and After Boob job and which is prefered
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IRBonanza Wrote:
WhootyFiend Wrote:No, we shouldn't judge her or her plastic surgeon too harshly. Instead, you wanna attack someone, attack the dudes who hound these perfectly beautiful natural beauties and tell them they should get work done on them, telling them they need to get bigger tits. Telling them they ain't hot unless they get torpedoes mounted on them. That is where the greatest shame lies. I would never tell a chick she need to get a boob job.

^^^ Here you go speculating yet again, Herschel Young.

How the hell do you know what and who motivated them to get boob jobs? From what I've seen, the decision to get a boob job is entirely the girl's. Some get on social media to ask fans opinions before the operation and the overwhelming response is always 'don't do it' or 'your body, it's up to you'. You gonna have to attack those whores for their decision then!! Confusedhock: :? :roll:
Unlike your myopic angle, I posited more than one possible influence.
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vesuvius Wrote:LOL, girls get boobjobs out of insecurity and to compete with other women, regardless of what men think.
It is well known that men love big titties, and anyone who says otherwise is the very rare exception to the natural rule. It's just human nature. Rooted in biological imperative.

You think women just arbitrarily mutilate themselves out of competition? Ehhhh... If men preferred flat chests, then the women would be competing to remove/reduce their titty meat as much as they could.

Yes that competition angle is there, but the goal is obviously driven by what men typically find attractive.

And yes women do lose the plot, just like idiot dudes who have such a distorted image of themselves they take steroids that make them look like freaks, injecting shit.
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^ You can't really compare steroids to plastic surgery, you still have to actually put the work in when you take steroids. Women can take steroids as well (and do). You should just compare plastic surgery to plastic surgery. Pec implants or other such cosmetic surgery for men is sufficient.

Also, I would argue that big is subjective and also that you shouldn't use 'anyone' so sparingly. Use 'most' or 'a lot.' Saying things like 'anyone who says otherwise' just makes you come across as pompous and ego-maniacal.

And also, like other posters on this forum, I think you're missing the point here. It isn't that a lot of men don't like big tits, it's that a lot of men don't like FAKE tits. They are just plain unnatural and there is no biological imperative that says men will like fake, hard, bolted-on, scar-ridden, ripply, uneven titties. Quite the contrary, I'd imagine.

So again, like I said, it's not that some men prefer flat chests, it's that they don't prefer implants. Very rarely will you hear a guy saying they don't like big natural tits, I will admit that THAT is the rare exception.

There's also the point that breast augmentation somewhat complicates breastfeeding sometimes which actually would go against or at least conflict with a man's natural biological imperative.
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whiteisright4bbc Wrote:^ You can't really compare steroids to plastic surgery, you still have to actually put the work in when you take steroids. Women can take steroids as well (and do). You should just compare plastic surgery to plastic surgery. Pec implants or other such cosmetic surgery for men is sufficient.

Also, I would argue that big is subjective and also that you shouldn't use 'anyone' so sparingly. Use 'most' or 'a lot.' Saying things like 'anyone who says otherwise' just makes you come across as pompous and ego-maniacal.

And also, like other posters on this forum, I think you're missing the point here. It isn't that a lot of men don't like big tits, it's that a lot of men don't like FAKE tits. They are just plain unnatural and there is no biological imperative that says men will like fake, hard, bolted-on, scar-ridden, ripply, uneven titties. Quite the contrary, I'd imagine.

So again, like I said, it's not that some men prefer flat chests, it's that they don't prefer implants. Very rarely will you hear a guy saying they don't like big natural tits, I will admit that THAT is the rare exception.

There's also the point that breast augmentation somewhat complicates breastfeeding sometimes which actually would go against or at least conflict with a man's natural biological imperative.

I totally agree with you on the steroid issue. Steroids is not a magical potion that grants you instant, eternal muscles. You got to work to maintain those muscles!

As far as boob jobs go, it doesn't matter to me. But there is such a thing as "too much" Aletta Ocean is a perfect example of that.

And it's a damn shame of Lela Star. For a second there, I thought that's one of Kim Kardashian's nude pics...
                                                                               

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HE HAS BRING THE RUCKUS
TO ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS

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whiteisright4bbc Wrote:^ You can't really compare steroids to plastic surgery, you still have to actually put the work in when you take steroids. Women can take steroids as well (and do). You should just compare plastic surgery to plastic surgery. Pec implants or other such cosmetic surgery for men is sufficient.

Also, I would argue that big is subjective and also that you shouldn't use 'anyone' so sparingly. Use 'most' or 'a lot.' Saying things like 'anyone who says otherwise' just makes you come across as pompous and ego-maniacal.

And also, like other posters on this forum, I think you're missing the point here. It isn't that a lot of men don't like big tits, it's that a lot of men don't like FAKE tits. They are just plain unnatural and there is no biological imperative that says men will like fake, hard, bolted-on, scar-ridden, ripply, uneven titties. Quite the contrary, I'd imagine.

So again, like I said, it's not that some men prefer flat chests, it's that they don't prefer implants. Very rarely will you hear a guy saying they don't like big natural tits, I will admit that THAT is the rare exception.

There's also the point that breast augmentation somewhat complicates breastfeeding sometimes which actually would go against or at least conflict with a man's natural biological imperative.

I totally agree with you on the steroid issue. Steroids are not a magical potion that grants you instant, eternal muscles. You got to work to maintain those muscles!

As far as boob jobs go, it doesn't matter to me. But there is such a thing as "too much" Aletta Ocean is a perfect example of that.

And it's a damn shame of Lela Star. For a second there, I thought that's one of Kim Kardashian's nude pics...
                                                                               

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HE HAS BRING THE RUCKUS
TO ALL YOU MUTHAFUCKAS

XD XD XD         
                              
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The best boob jobs I've seen were Jada Fire and Tiffany Mynx. I think it helps if the woman is a little thicker to begin with...
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^^What a magnificent post
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^^ I have no issue with them recruiting 'big tit bimbo sluts.' My only issue lies in the fact that they felt it mandatory for their newer contract stars to undergo breast augmentation. That's fine that you turn to Dogfart for that reason. Others, like myself, turn to Dogfart for other reasons (if we turn to Dogfart at all anymore that is). You're right. There are other sites for 1 on 1 IR. Unfortunately for you though, my friend, Dogfart still produces plenty of 1 on 1 IR as well.

Now I'm not sure whether or not 'the 'fake looking sluts get higher ratings and subscription revenue' (<- wtf? impossible to know, honestly), but why not look at the top 50 scenes to get some inkling here?

Allie James x2, Keisha Grey, Valentina Nappi x3, Maddy O'Reilly & Penny Pax (Penny x2), Kate England, Sheena Shaw, Cayenne Klein, Anna de Ville, Amirah Adara, Nikita Bellucci, Sarah Shevon, Mischa Brooks, Kara Price, Marina Visconti, Amber Chase, Savannah Fox, Rose Red & Tiffany Kohl, Abbey Rain, Alina West, Casey Calvert, Gabriella Paltrova, Alice Romain, Roxanne Rae, Miley May, Sadie Kennedy, Tiffany Doll, Marica Hase.

Monique Symone, September Reign, Cherry Hilson, Chanell Heart.

Anna Belle Peaks, Ryan Conner, Alura Jenson, Zoey Portland, Darla Crane, Nikki Sexx, Sandra Luberc (A-Cup implants?!), Kiki Daire, Velicity Von, Angela Attison, Dee Siren, Chanel Preston, Simone Sonay, Kaylynn, Mikki Lynn, Bibi Noel, Angel Allwood.

Nadia Jay

I don't know, man. Rifling through it looks like if anything Dogfart's fanbase leans a little bit more towards natural girls than anything. I keep having to repeat myself here, but this isn't about small vs. big, it's about natural vs. unnatural. Just because a chick doesn't go under the knife doesn't mean she doesn't have big tits or more than a handful.

Obviously there are plenty of big tit natural girls in the top 50 like Keisha Grey, Penny Pax, Anna de Ville and Marina Visconti. But you also have to admit there are small tit chicks in there, too, like Sheena Shaw, Cayenne Klein, Kara Price, Sarah Shevon and Amber Chase.

Overall, though, I would say Dogfart's core fanbase cares less about fake looking bimbo's and more about raceplay, gangbangs, anals, DP's and the like. It seems not to matter whether the chick has fakes or not, but more about how many extreme sex acts she is willing to do with the biggest brothers out there.

So yes, on all that I don't agree with your next merit of them only wanting chicks that will get breast augmentation. First of all, I don't think they offer contracts anymore anyway, but if they did there's no way they would even think twice about offering one to the likes of Valentina Nappi, Keisha Grey, Penny Pax or Allie James when they were making their rounds. They (as well as other naturals) are among some of the most popular girls they've ever had.

Second off, I don't know whether that is a new philosophy or not, but if you look at their previous contract stars that did 30+ scenes each, all but one of them were natural. And guess what? The reason I had to say 30+ and not something like 70+ for the next lowest is because the one that did about 30 is the only one with the fakes. I'm not saying that proves anything, but it's additional information that has to be factored here.

My main issue, though, with your post is that you posted the exceptions. Your main premise is centered mainly around one model who transcends the natural vs. implants debate (hell, even I can admit I still fucks with her and think she has one of the best boob jobs I've seen). Not every girl is Brooklyn Chase or Juelz Ventura (another exception to the rule who I fucked with heavy before the lip injections which was just too far for me).

I mean, the most damning thing here is that even if you want to champion those four girls here, only one of them is even in the top 50 and she's #47 at that, soon to be bumped from the list.

So yeah, man. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm all knowing or anything. I am not arrogant nor self-absorbed enough to believe that most or even half the men here or else where feel the same way. All I ask is that the meager amount of facts I've left before you be taken into account here with regards to Dogart's customer base.

I don't for one second believe that these are the end all be all or anything concerning this debate, but at the least it's a tiny sample of information to be added to a much larger whole down the line.

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whiteisright4bbc Wrote:Overall, though, I would say Dogfart's core fanbase cares less about fake looking bimbo's and more about raceplay, gangbangs, anals, DP's and the like. It seems not to matter whether the chick has fakes or not, but more about how many extreme sex acts she is willing to do with the biggest brothers out there.

First of all, I don't think they offer contracts anymore anyway, but if they did there's no way they would even think twice about offering one to the likes of Valentina Nappi, Keisha Grey, Penny Pax or Allie James when they were making their rounds. They (as well as other naturals) are among some of the most popular girls they've ever had.

I don't totally disagree with you. I replied on another thread that Dogfart casts natural, girl next door sluts too. They mix it up, and try to please all their members. The most important thing is to get HOT nasty sluts to perform.
http://ir-tube.net/forum/the-definitive-...4-150.html

It also seems that Dogfart shifted from feature model contracts to Twitter contests like Girl of The Month Contest and Dogfart's Next Girl Contest for fans to decide which models they shoot, and models can get additional bookings, compensation and fan exposure that way. Super slut Leya Falcon (big fake tits) was the January winner. Valentina Nappi (big natural tits) was the previous winner. I think we are saying the same thing. Hell, the AJ Applegate gang bang scene was one of my ATFs, and she has tiny tits.

WE JUST WANT SLUTS! :lol:

For me and others, there is just something sexy about sluts doctoring up their bodies to be fuck toys and they've forever altered their bodies to serve that purpose. After sexual experiences with both natural and fake tit chicks, I prefer fucking the ones with fake tits. Complete opinion of course but I like how they feel, and the ones with fake tits are generally sluttier and more fun in bed. But a hot girl is a hot girl, period.

Last, I don't have anything against 1:1 IR. I meant that there's other sites for shy/ amateur-feeling IR scenes.
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whiteisright4bbc Wrote:I knew Brooklyn Chase had a ton of titty fat already. Will never forgive Dogfart now though since I believe she was one of the contest winners with Kayden Flames and I remember they said in the fine print that they would have to undergo breast augmentation.
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I've posted here before that I like that Dogfart recruits big tit bimbo sluts. I turn to Dogfart when I want to see fine ass white sluts get verbally degraded and ripped apart by a gang of aggressive BBCs. There's other sites for 1:1 IR.

Maybe the fake looking sluts get higher ratings and subscription revenue because they look like perfect bimbo whores?? Seems like if they offer a model a contract for a bunch of scenes like they did Brooklyn Chase or Kayden Flames they want that girl to fit the mold of having big fake tits, lip injections to better serve black cock, then whore them out to be choked, slapped and their assholes ripped apart because that's what its viewers like, want and expect. If all that is part of them getting the opportunity to get the Dogfart treatment as a feature model, I have no problem with that. These sluts get exposure and a great fan base to help boost their careers.

Brooklyn was a Dogfart feature model and became a fan favorite. They made her a true whore by filming her in 11 different scenes and totally overwhelmed her mouth and pussy in the blow bang scene (the faces she makes when she got bent over the trash can and railed by a train of BBC- I bust every time) and fans were calling for her to have her own Dogfart site. Who knows whatever happened to Kayden Flames but that bitch was a hot little slut too.

As far as I can tell from member comments fans seem to love Brooklyn's huge fake tits:
"A cutie with a nice set well worth some nut" "I didn't give her tits enough credit" "Joined just for her." Seems like Dogfart knows their customers and gave them what they want.

Brooklyn said on Twitter (when haters were bashing her for "ruining her perfect body") she already had fake tits, her 2nd time just went bigger. So I don't think that's why she got them done becuase she had already done pretty much all all the Dogfart sites before the 2nd augmentation.

Why all the haters here? Brooklyn hot as fuck.
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And so are some of the other girls with fake tits that they cast. Who wouldn't fuck any one of these doctored up white sluts Dogfart signed?

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Juelz Ventura: "Fucking cunt got used and abused. Nice body, those lips are sexy as fuck, and some of those faces she made...I melted. It's so much more than just fucking. Dogfart does a great job at capturing that and bringing the nasty, kinky, slutty sex out of the girls and that's what keeps us coming back for more."

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Bibi Noel: "It's a turn on when a fine bitch like Bibi turns her body into an amusement ride for Black Cock. I love seeing white bitches modify their body for a black man's pleasure and enjoyment."

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Jasmine Jae: "Jasmine may be the hottest slut in porn today. Where do yall keep finding these fine ass white women from?"

Just my take, but maybe I'm not the only one that likes these kind of white sluts.
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