Jon Jones is a fucking idiot
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Avill Wrote:I don't watch MMA its a fake sport and all of their 'fighters' take shots at boxing.

I do know Jon Jones and he seems like a troubled guy.. hope the best for him.


Oh please, dude. Feel free to hate on MMA but it's no more fake than boxing. Boxing suffered the same kind of negative shots for years but many of the promoters have actually been indicted for, or confessed to, fixing fights, unlike MMA.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 41365.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/10/sport ... .html?_r=0

http://deadspin.com/why-i-fixed-fights-1535114232

And there are about 400,000 more links like these on google. Again, both sports can be great fun to watch, but there's no proof one is particularly more "fake" than the other.
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Shotgun Styles Wrote:When the best fighter in your sport is a woman, and then that woman is humiliated in front of an international audience by being mule kicked in the head, it's time to declare your bush league sport a failure.

MMA was never going to be the next great American sport. Too much luck, not enough strategy, and all the best American athletes play football and basketball. MMA gets the leftovers.


I have to agree with you there. I never was a big MMA fan...I always find the sport boring and Dana White is one of the biggest egomaniacs I have ever seen. Dude is a complete nutjob.

And Jones is another dumbass athlete who made constantly wrong decisions. And as far as Rousey, well, my profile pic speaks for itself...
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Welp, that card was horrible

Dana White with the rape face

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Rousey was the best female 135 lbs fighter in MMA, but that was about it. Even then, Holm was fighting during that same time frame and they just never met. Rousey would lose to every male fighter on the roster. C'mon now, man. Unless you also believe women boxers can beat male boxers (ELITE ones of both genders of course).

As far as there being too much luck involved/not enough strategy, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the sport. There's so many layers, ways to win, faucets, disciplines within MMA that there are tons of different outcomes that can unfold compared to something like boxing. It means there is both more strategy and "luck" involved. I don't actually believe in luck, though, but that's a whole different argument.

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It's luck.

Somebody trips in a boxing match, the ref stops the action and they reset. In MMA your opponent jumps on you and pummels you until the fight is stopped for TKO.

If a boxer gets in a lucky hit and knocks you down, there's a standing 8 count and you can recover to win the fight. In MMA if you are even slightly dazed your opponent chokes you out for a win.

It's luck, son. Whoever gets in the first lucky shot wins. MMA is, and has always been, a bush league sport. It will never reach preeminance because it's too easy to win a fight on some fluke ass event. Like Silva getting his leg broken. Random lucky knockouts DO happen in boxing, but not nearly with the frequency that they do in MMA because guys can recover and come back to win.
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Shotgun Styles Wrote:It's luck.

Somebody trips in a boxing match, the ref stops the action and they reset. In MMA your opponent jumps on you and pummels you until the fight is stopped for TKO.

If a boxer gets in a lucky hit and knocks you down, there's a standing 8 count and you can recover to win the fight. In MMA if you are even slightly dazed your opponent chokes you out for a win.

It's luck, son. Whoever gets in the first lucky shot wins. MMA is, and has always been, a bush league sport. It will never reach preeminance because it's too easy to win a fight on some fluke ass event. Like Silva getting his leg broken. Random lucky knockouts DO happen in boxing, but not nearly with the frequency that they do in MMA because guys can recover and come back to win.
Literally none of this is true for modern MMA, you might have had a point 10 years ago, but it's just tiring and wrong today.
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Megan Olivi looks like a porn chick.
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I'm with Shogun. I am no boxing fan, but within most UFC matches the guys are evenly matched enough, that one slip-up is the difference between the winner and the loser. You have to be in complete denial to not see simple slip ups resulting in knockouts and tap outs regularly in MMA. I don't dislike the sport because of this, but I won't deny its prevalence either.
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kcjones Wrote:I'm with Shogun. I am no boxing fan, but within most UFC matches the guys are evenly matched enough, that one slip-up is the difference between the winner and the loser. You have to be in complete denial to not see simple slip ups resulting in knockouts and tap outs regularly in MMA. I don't dislike the sport because of this, but I won't deny its prevalence either.
This is not what he was saying.

You are saying that in MMA you pay a much bigger price for a mistake than in boxing - this I agree with

Shotgun is saying that it all comes down to luck - this is not the case

Wearing your opponent down with faints, body shots, leg kicks, threats of a takedown and mind games is one thing, but saying it all comes down to luck is just not true.

Now dont get me wrong, MMA still has plenty of growing to do, but it's growing well.
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MMA is not all luck. I'll say that.

But. It is sufficiently contingent upon luck so as to make the sport less than competitive.

Lets take NASCAR. What if they ran on tracks that were not properly maintained. Drivers would be hitting potholes, screws and other road hazards that would kill their chances of winning. Other drivers would be beating the top guys just because they lucked out and never hit anything on the track. Sure, they are trained drivers with highly tuned cars who put a lot into driving. But adding road hazards into the mix takes the competitive legitimacy away from the race. Now drivers win and lose based on circumstance and environment rather than skill or strategy.

MMA's rules are stupid. Wrestling is wrestling and striking is striking. When you combine the two you diminish both. I like spinach and I like ice cream. That doesn't mean I'll like Spinach Ice Cream. MMA fails because it doesn't maintain the purity of pugilism. It's a mess. And in a mess luck and circumstance prevail over skill. That's why Black Belt's get their asses kicked in street fights. All the perfect round house kicks in the world don't matter when someone breaks off a table leg and starts bludgeoning you with it.
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