President Donald Trump
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Two points...
Trump made his campaign about us against them, and when you make things about race most of the dominant race will ban together with a blind allegiance regardless of what Trump has said or did. Even though they never actually lost it under Obama, they wanted back the feeling of white dominance and control. Like he said early in his campaign, he could walk out in the street, kill someone and his supporters wouldn't care.


Second point, Clinton had Wiki Leaks, the Russians, FBI and most importantly herself tanking her campaign. Trump name called and bashed her relentlessly and she tried to go high when they went low; however, that doesn't get average people fired up for you, only thinking people appreciate tact and class. She should have fought back harder against his unsubstantiated claims of corruption; moreover, way too much Obama in the end, it reeked of disperation and panic, which came across looking like she knew the country was leaning towards Trump. It was like, Obama please save me, I'm sinking. They overestimated his popularity, yes people like him but they didn't want things to stay the same after 8 years. Oh how soon they forget what the last knucklehead republican did to the country.
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Any of y'all think that if Bernie was the nominee, it would be much different? People were excited by him, he had no baggage, and all the attacks on Clinton would've never stuck with Bernie.
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#13
All freakouts aside, America voted for Hillary. She won the popular vote, so once again the electoral college failed us.

We paid dearly for this last time. Gore wins, no Iraq. Gawd only knows what foolishness Trump will have us up to.
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Glenn Winter Wrote:Any of y'all think that if Bernie was the nominee, it would be much different? People were excited by him, he had no baggage, and all the attacks on Clinton would've never stuck with Bernie.
The blue and red on the map would have swapped in percentage of coverage. Trump won on populism. Fake populism, and based on bullshit, but absolutely a massive percentage of normally solid Republican supporters would have been comfortable voting for Bernie over Trump based on that.

Also, as Patton Oswald put it, "We found out that America is even more sexist than it is racist, and it's really fucking racist."
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I'm mad at Elizabeth Warren.

Had she run, Bernie wouldn't have. She is youngish, articulate, and has real personality.

With her running in the primary, she would have ended Hillary's hopes early enough to unite the party, excite young people suspicious of Wall-Street and insider influence peddling, and give a real message to working class whites in America, the same ones who just elected Trump.

In a vacuum, even if the same rates of white guys went for Trump, I think enough blue collar white women would have broken off to swing PA, Wisconsin, Ohio, and possibly even North Carolina to the Democrats.

Hillary and Bill make my skin crawl, and I haven't been trapped in the right wing echo chamber for 3 decades. I held my nose when I voted Clinton, whereas I would have felt better voting Warren than I even did Obama the second time around, because I know she actively hates the incestuous relationship between the private and public sector.
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Glenn Winter Wrote:Any of y'all think that if Bernie was the nominee, it would be much different? People were excited by him, he had no baggage, and all the attacks on Clinton would've never stuck with Bernie.

The socialist thing and the general fear of higher taxes would have been hard for him to overcome. However the fact that he had high favorable and is not viewed as politics as usual may have been enough for him to win in areas of the white male population that Hillary could not.



Another factor in this race was the lousy choice of Tim Kaine for VP. He brought absolutely nothing to the table. He brought zero energy with him. While Virginia is important, if Hillary could not have won it on her own then she had no business running so using that as a basis for selecting him is stupid. She would have been better off with Warren or Bernie as a VP choice.



On a different note I have to wonder how much the Palin effect was in play in how many white dudes voted for Trump because they were too busy drooling over his daughter and wife.

I've never thought much of Trump's wife. She is striking, but to me has that "good looks through a lot of money" look that I simply do not find very attractive.
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#17
She still won the popular vote. Majority of Americans did not vote for him. It gives me hope
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#18
I used to read the papers and follow news....but now? I'd rather just stick with ir-tube.net Big Grin

What I STILL can't believe that this country had him and Hillary as the best candidates for the job....God help us
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marvy Wrote:I'm mad at Elizabeth Warren.

Had she run, Bernie wouldn't have. She is youngish, articulate, and has real personality.

She is 67, 2 years younger than Hillary.
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